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PostSubject: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:00 am

In every JP movie so far, there's always a single species that provides the biggest challenges for the human protagonists to go through. Whatever their motives are, be it protecting their child, killing for sport or stalking a specific human, these dinosaurs can be considered to be primary antagonists. So what species would you like to fill this role in JW3? Or if you'd prefer to not have any, elaborate your thoughts on why.

Personally, I don't have a specific species in mind. I'd actually prefer not to have a main dinosaur antagonist, as I think that wouldn't be important in the context of JW3's story. But if we do have to have one, I just want it to be a new species. Each movie always has a different one (Raptors, T-Rex, Spino, I-Rex, Indoraptor) and I'd like to see this continue in JW3.
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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:08 am

I think it's pretty sure that it won't be a hybrid this time, since Colin Trevorrow confirmed the Indoraptor was the last hybrid of the trilogy.
Also, you did right by saying "antagonist" instead of "villain", since the villains in this trilogy seem to be only the humans (and, in a way, also the hybrids).

That said... I would love to see a Giganotosaurus (always dreamed a JP4 with Giganotosaurus as main antagonist for years lol), but I agree that having a main dino antagonist wouldn't be the most fitting choice for JW3.

Maybe the T-Rex again? The Spinosaurus? The Velociraptors?
What if Blue somehow becomes an antagonist for some reason?

Probably there won't be one main dinosaur antagonist though... Although that would be pretty disappointing and weird, because I think people love the idea of having a bad dino to blame, to hate or to be scared of in a movie. We're used to it since 1993.

But yeah, if there has to be a dino antagonist, I would like to see a new species, like the Giganotosaurus.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:29 am

Although there is a chance JW3 won't have a specific dinosaur as an "antagonist" due to the context, I personally hope there is one. And if there is, I would actually like the antagonistic dinosaur to be an Allosaurus- a full grown one that is, not a juvie like in FK. It's much bigger than a raptor but smaller than a rex, built like a powerhouse yet still sleek and athletic, has pretty sharp claws and long hands, jaws that kill like a literal axe and possibly a pack hunter. Not to mention, due to it's size it can hide in forests around living areas, which will make it extremely dangerous to people. Also, it's just iconic and recognizable. I think it's about time that an actual jurassic predator will get to be the star of a Jurassic movie Smile

Also, although unlikely, I would love to see the Troodons (or is it Stenonychosaurs now?) from the game appear. They were scary as s**t, and they are perfect for some horror inducing scenes on the mainland- imagine sleeping in your tent located in a dark forest at night (let's say montana), when you suddenly get disturbed by a haunting call. You first think it's an elk, so you go outside to check it out. Suddenly, out of nowhere, you see a horde of glowing eyes surrounding you in the dark, when you realize "s*it it's not an elk" except it's too late. Something similar would be lit Smile

Besides that I would love to see Rexy (or another rex) get some scenes where she acts as a threat. A cool idea might be that she terrifies a bunch of hikers camping in the redwoods, or perhaps eating a couple of idiots who venture to an area that's closed because of the dinosaur invasion.
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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:34 am

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Although there is a chance JW3 won't have a specific dinosaur as an "antagonist" due to the context, I personally hope there is one. And if there is, I would actually like the antagonistic dinosaur to be an Allosaurus- a full grown one that is, not a juvie like in FK. It's much bigger than a raptor but smaller than a rex, built like a powerhouse yet still sleek and athletic, has pretty sharp claws and long hands, jaws that kill like a literal axe and possibly a pack hunter. Not to mention, due to it's size it can hide in forests around living areas, which will make it extremely dangerous to people. Also, it's just iconic and recognizable. I think it's about time that an actual jurassic predator will get to be the star of a Jurassic movie Smile

Also, although unlikely, I would love to see the Troodons (or is it Stenonychosaurs now?) from the game appear. They were scary as s**t, and they are perfect for some horror inducing scenes on the mainland- imagine sleeping in your tent located in a dark forest at night (let's say montana), when you suddenly get disturbed by a haunting call. You first think it's an elk, so you go outside to check it out. Suddenly, out of nowhere, you see a horde of glowing eyes surrounding you in the dark, when you realize "s*it it's not an elk" except it's too late. Something similar would be lit Smile

Besides that I would love to see Rexy (or another rex) get some scenes where she acts as a threat. A cool idea might be that she terrifies a bunch of hikers camping in the redwoods, or perhaps eating a couple of idiots who venture to an area that's closed because of the dinosaur invasion.

Now I want that scene to be in JW3.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:52 pm

I'd like to see some non-dinosaur reptiles in the film:

* Dimetrodon
* Elasmosaurus
* Inostrancevia
* Ornithosuchus
* Prestosuchus
* Tropeognathus

As for actual dinosaurs:

* Concavenator
* Dilophosaurus
* Herrerasaurus
* Megaraptor
* Metriacanthosaurus
* Stenonychosaurus
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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:47 pm

@Dv-218 wrote:
Also, although unlikely, I would love to see the Troodons (or is it Stenonychosaurs now?) from the game appear. They were scary as s**t, and they are perfect for some horror inducing scenes on the mainland- imagine sleeping in your tent located in a dark forest at night (let's say montana), when you suddenly get disturbed by a haunting call.

They were renamed Pectinodon back in 2013. It was an old name that became discarded but got resurrected.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:52 pm

I really hope the T. rex takes that spot. One of the reasons FK's opening scene was arguably the best scene in the movie was that it was the first time in 21 years that the T. rex was pictured as a genuine threat (alongside the gorgeous cinematography, of course). If it's the final movie of the franchise, it would be fitting to give the T. rex the spotlight again.

Other than that, it could have the Mosasaurus, Carnotaurus, and the return of the Dilophosaurus as "auxiliary threats". We don't need anything else, really. Fallen Kingdom had lots of dinosaurs, but didn't do anything with that, most of them were basically glorified cameos. I really hope Trevorrow doesn't try to introduce a lot of new dinosaurs for the next movie, there's a lot of underutilized dinosaurs that need love in these new movies and couldn't get it because the filmmakers were more interested in showing the hybrids.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:22 pm

I would agree with the above sentiment. If Jurassic World 3 is to be the last film in the franchise (for a while at least), then the main antagonist role should go to the series most iconic dinosaur and mascot. It doesn't necessarily have to be Rexy, but having a T.rex at center stage once again would be an appropriate note for the franchise to go out on.

Also, it's no surprise that as soon as they actually put some effort into making the Rex scary again, as they did with the opening scene of FK, we ended up with the best, scariest, and most JP-ish scene we've had since TLW. I'd like to see more of that in the next film. A lot more of that.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:18 am

My question is, why does it have to always be just one main antagonist? What about having a Rex, Raptors and a Spino all take turns on the humans as antagonists?

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:22 am

#TRexSpinorematch wrote:
My question is, why does it have to always be just one main antagonist? What about having a Rex, Raptors and a Spino all take turns on the humans as antagonists?
It doesn't have to, but that is what's been happening in the movies so far.
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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:00 am

#TRexSpinorematch wrote:
My question is, why does it have to always be just one main antagonist? What about having a Rex, Raptors and a Spino all take turns on the humans as antagonists?

That might crowd things a bit. Give multiple dinosaurs roles, sure, but you kind of have to have a "main climax" type dinosaur.

That being said, Jurassic Park was able to tread the line between the raptors and the Rex pretty well, so it is possible to keep things somewhat balanced.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:09 am

@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
#TRexSpinorematch wrote:
My question is, why does it have to always be just one main antagonist? What about having a Rex, Raptors and a Spino all take turns on the humans as antagonists?

That might crowd things a bit. Give multiple dinosaurs roles, sure, but you kind of have to have a "main climax" type dinosaur.

That being said, Jurassic Park was able to tread the line between the raptors and the Rex pretty well, so it is possible to keep things somewhat balanced.

Yeah it would be similar to JP3 in that the Spino, Raptors and Pteranodons were all major antagonists that took turns on the humans, even if the Spino was the "face" of the movie.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:07 am

I actually would like it to be more like JP and the TLW when there was no main dino antagonist. Just spread it out a bit among different dino's.
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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:34 am

@Amadieus wrote:
I actually would like it to be more like JP and the TLW when there was no main dino antagonist. Just spread it out a bit among different dino's.

In The Lost World the Rex was far and away the main antagonist Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:08 am

@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
@Amadieus wrote:
I actually would like it to be more like JP and the TLW when there was no main dino antagonist. Just spread it out a bit among different dino's.

In The Lost World the Rex was far and away the main antagonist Razz
I'm inclined to agree with Amadieus. In JP and TLW, aside from the Raptors who were set up as incredibly villainous, it's heavily expressed that the dinosaurs aren't villains or monsters, they're just animals doing what they do. It's the humans who present themselves as the main antagonists. In Jurassic Park, it's Nedry, who is the catalyst for the Park's failure in the novel and film. In TLW, it's Dodgson in the novel and Ludlow in the film who present themselves as the main antagonists. The dinosaurs, up until JP///, had always been shown to simply be animals who just happen to come into contact with humans simply because of human stupidity.

Everything the Rexes do in both movies are easily explained. In JP, the T. rex isn't attacking the cars out of mindless hunger, she's simply curious about them. When we next see her, she's chasing the Jeep out of territoriality. She eventually gives up the chase once the Jeep is far enough away from her paddock. When she attacked Gennaro, note that she didn't completely eat him. She was using a kill to mark her territory. We see this same effect with the carcasses all over the Rex nest on Sorna. When the Rexes attack the trailer in TLW, they're doing so out of territoriality. Sarah clearly explains this. When they attack the camp on the ridge, it's because they're following the scent of their infant's blood on Sarah's jacket. This has also altered the Rexes perceived territory and the female persists in chasing the humans out of her territory.

The Raptors are the only dinosaurs ever shown to have this sadistic, insane side to them, and arguably the only true dinosaur antagonist we see in the first two movies.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:16 pm

Anything but T.rex or raptors. I want a new species.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:08 am

All of the films had multiple antagonists but usually one central dinosaur antagonist - the first film has 'the Big One' herself, the third through fifth films have their hybrids, and the second film is a little disputable, but I lean towards the bull Tyrannosaur, although he should probably share equal billing with his mate even if less thematic emphasis is placed on her.

Now, to be honest? I've always found this a lame and overused tactic for the franchise. I would rather have action sequences with multiple varying species than see the same one reappear four out of six times - whether it's a Tyrannosaur, a Raptor, a Dilophosaur or a new species, variety is really for the best, imo
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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:30 pm

I'd like to see more of the Carnotaurus or they could bring back the Ceratosaurus from JP3.

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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:07 am

I would like to see the Spinosaurus. If they somehow miraculously stored a Spino in the Arcadia, bring it!
I mean, they've rescued some dinosaurs off-screen. Colin confirmed it. Why not.

Other than that, give me the Carnosaurus and Baryonyx as some cool antagonistic dinosaurs.
Carnotaurus sneaking around in the californian woods and Baryonyx hunting in the rivers.
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PostSubject: Re: Main Dinosaur Antagonist   Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:20 pm

Every sequel has introduced a new predator - even TLW, which revolved around "Now with 3 times the T-Rex", had a special appearance by some Compies.

Presumably JW 3 will follow this pattern BUT I don't think there will be another big bad necessarily as Colin has mentioned this being a globe-trotting adventure, hence I don't know if it would make sense for the same species to show up everywhere they go.

I'd personally like to see some non-dinosaurs, like Dimetrodon or Plesiosaurus used in their own sequences, as they'd be unique visually from the carnivores we've had previously in the franchise.

There could even be a scene under or on the water with our heroes attacked by rabid Plesiosaurs when they're "saved" by the Mosaurus at the last minute...and for some reason, I could see our heroes stumbling into a Dimetrodon lair in some tunnels or an underground complex of some sort.

BTW - Colin said that they're not using another hybrid, but he never said there'd be no fictional dinosaurs in the film. The original origin for the Indominus (or Malasaurus) was it was a prehistoric species that had been undiscovered in the fossil record - they could always go that route and create another fictional predator. Something like the Therizinosaurus, only carnivorous, could make for a fun set piece.
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