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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:04 pm

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Please don't accuse me of pushing goals that I never said, let alone ever hoped to achieve. All that I'm asking is that if fan outrage worked in the cases I listed, then why can't the fans pressure Uni to make this franchise larger and be more faithful to being grounded in reality and common sense. If you want to say that the fan outrage to Zilla '98 is different then what I'm pushing so be. But please don't try to twist what I'm saying.

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I have never seen anyone here, or in any other Jurassic related site trying to get Universal to stop anything and everything Jurassic.

No fan is wishing for the series to go full stop.

Just saying that significant backlash can cause a variety of different outcomes, and not all of them are good. Now I obviously don't see JW3 being cancelled, as both JW and FK raked in literally billions of dollars, but it is important to acknowledge that, while the squeaky wheel usually gets the grease, if the wheel keeps squeaking it's eventually going to be taken off and replaced, or the squeaky wheel will simply break off and the whole wagon will come crashing down.

Some things in Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom did get some hate from both the general public and hardcore fans but while some fans really dislike those things it is not on the same level as the Last Jedi backlash where the majority of Star Wars fans did call for a boycott on Solo and just flat out do not consider Disney canon. Notice that no Jurassic fan is calling for a boycott on anything nor trying to remove JW or FK from canon.

So while there is some hate towards JW and FK it is usually over 2 or 3 things that can still be fixed and that is why no fan is saying they are done with the series unlike Star Wars where The Last Jedi just did so much damage on so many levels to what came before that fans are just flat out done.

The hate for JW and FK is more like, I hate this and that but maybe in the next one they can make it better.

The hate for Star Wars and The Last Jedi is much more like, how dare you ruin this legend!!!! F you!!!!! I am F ing done!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:25 pm

It comes down to what question of what people expect. Trevorrow isn't going anywhere for the final film, nor are the canonical alterations that have occurred since JW.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:45 am

My point is that there's a lot more nowadays that have demanded complexity and when they are given it, go "NOT that kind of complexity" which resolves itself to endless and circular bitching. I disagree intensely how social justice is "ruining fiction" when such ideas have been around since forever if you actually look back at the fiction as it got older. Social justice is paramount and even has had numerous PSA's using characters to convey the ideas of tolerance and equality. That's obviously a discussion for another time though. We're talking about why there is rejection of most fiction now, especially for the Jurassic Park series here.

The thing I mean with the whole hating something because it is a new and different thing is that as we get older in life we stop just accepting things at anything more than face value. We want to know the in's and out's of the situation, but when that is given to us it fails in ever satisfying the question because humans are hopped up on what they think/want something to be instead of what it is according to the people supplying the fiction in the first place. That kind of dissatisfaction is endemic in all fandom circles nowadays because everyone simply cannot and will be pleased as they cannot give up their ideas of what they feel "should've happened" is my point. It's a stubbornness that permeates and carries itself through various fandoms and all it boils down to is a sense of ownership and interpretation.

That doesn't mean that something new that doesn't display satisfactory in's and out's is always inherently hated or bad, but the fact is behavior alters through the course of childhood to adulthood. It is helpful to realizing why we all get to a point where we want and look for more and feel things are mishandled or not done "right" as we get older due to interpretation. That's my whole point here. The viral marketing for the JW trilogy is a lot more than anything we ever got for the JP trilogy. What did we get for the original JP trilogy? There were little tie-ins here and there like the Jurassic Newsletters and the ride for the first film, Hammond's desk on TLW site for TLW, the game Trespasser, JP3 had the website and the Eric Kirby/Grant adventure tie-ins with "Survivor", "Prey", and "Flyers". All of which are not really accurate and don't sync up 100% for the films. They tried though, and a lot of people merely accept them automatically. Really the only difference between the new JW Trilogy tie-ins like the DPG, Nublar Tour, and Masrani-Global sites is that they do a better and much more impressive job of syncing up with the films (old and new trilogy) and providing that supplemental information that successfully pads the universe. It doesn't pad it the way we expected it to be padded, but that isn't/shouldn't be the deal breaker totally. The reason for the rejection? Because it doesn't pad the universe in a way that fans have expected it to be padded for 20 years due to their interpretation and feelings of ownership for the franchise. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but merely just rejecting it because you weren't right isn't the way. The viral sites so far have handled their connection with the new trilogy (and previous) a lot better than the stuff we had in the past that were riddled with contradictions throughout.

That's my point here. That's what I'm driving home here is, as we get older we stop taking things merely at face value, we just sit back, find whatever is wrong with it, and blow it out of proportion totally. It is toxic and endemic all at once.

Further point here, is we place the past and nostalgia and our interpretations on high and we don't allow for anything new to come along to change our opinion, challenge our interpretations, and refine the way we saw things because change is scary and destructive. Once that new sneaks in well it's never the same after the new gets in. Without change though we're doomed to follow the same stale repeat after repeat. It becomes nothing more than mediocrity and people even have issues with that too.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:12 pm

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Case in point: The ending of JW:FK. Does anybody really believe that the dinosaurs wouldn't get wiped out by SWAT/National Guard within 1-5 months? The answer is a big, fat NO! Throw in every redneck, hillbilly, and mountain man who would want to hunt dinosaurs and that time frame is reduced to 1-2 months. If the ending happened in either Africa or South America, then I'd believe it far more, since both those continents are well known for for having very weak/corrupt national governments. It would also be far more believable for dinosaurs to be made in the Congo rainforest, where Wu would use legends of cryptosaurs (Mokele-Mbembe) as cover. The fact that most of it isn't properly explored also makes it even better.


I think the simple explanation will be since many people are making dinosaurs all over the world more dinosaurs are escaping and spreading since they can still breed so it won't be just the dinosaurs that escaped from Lockwood Estate. Dinosaurs will be EVERYWHERE.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:08 pm

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Case in point: The ending of JW:FK. Does anybody really believe that the dinosaurs wouldn't get wiped out by SWAT/National Guard within 1-5 months? The answer is a big, fat NO! Throw in every redneck, hillbilly, and mountain man who would want to hunt dinosaurs and that time frame is reduced to 1-2 months. If the ending happened in either Africa or South America, then I'd believe it far more, since both those continents are well known for for having very weak/corrupt national governments. It would also be far more believable for dinosaurs to be made in the Congo rainforest, where Wu would use legends of cryptosaurs (Mokele-Mbembe) as cover. The fact that most of it isn't properly explored also makes it even better.


I think the simple explanation will be since many people are making dinosaurs all over the world more dinosaurs are escaping and spreading since they can still breed so it won't be just the dinosaurs that escaped from Lockwood Estate. Dinosaurs will be EVERYWHERE.

Except that the governments of the world would shut down all those sites or outright assassinate those people via designating them as terrorists (the meat eaters would danger the populace). You don't think the superpowers of the world- the United States of America, China, and Russia-would just sit down and let the dinosaurs roam around and let people make dinosaurs in their own countries, do you? Hell bleeping NO! If this was in Africa or South America, maybe. But not those superpowers.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:12 pm

Unless the sites were unknown to government officials or were somehow working in tandem with various corrupt governments.

Point is we just don't know.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:38 pm

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Except that the governments of the world would shut down all those sites or outright assassinate those people via designating them as terrorists (the meat eaters would danger the populace). You don't think the superpowers of the world- the United States of America, China, and Russia-would just sit down and let the dinosaurs roam around and let people make dinosaurs in their own countries, do you? Hell bleeping NO! If this was in Africa or South America, maybe. But not those superpowers.

Wouldn't the cops have lit up the T-Rex in San Diego (or at least called in a SWAT unit) instead of turning and running away in what amounted to a glorified bit of humor?

If someone had a genetics company as powerful as InGen, would they really build an amusement park with dinosaurs? Wouldn't Hammond more likely have cured cancer or done designer babies or something?

It's science fiction...all requiring suspension of disbelief.

However, the laser gun system used to direct the indoraptor is genuinely idiotic beyond belief (especially having seen the trained raptors hunting by scent in the previous movie)! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:45 pm

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Except that the governments of the world would shut down all those sites or outright assassinate those people via designating them as terrorists (the meat eaters would danger the populace). You don't think the superpowers of the world- the United States of America, China, and Russia-would just sit down and let the dinosaurs roam around and let people make dinosaurs in their own countries, do you? Hell bleeping NO! If this was in Africa or South America, maybe. But not those superpowers.

Wouldn't the cops have lit up the T-Rex in San Diego (or at least called in a SWAT unit) instead of turning and running away in what amounted to a glorified bit of humor?

If someone had a genetics company as powerful as InGen, would they really build an amusement park with dinosaurs? Wouldn't Hammond more likely have cured cancer or done designer babies or something?

It's science fiction...all requiring suspension of disbelief.

However, the laser gun system used to direct the indoraptor is genuinely idiotic beyond belief (especially having seen the trained raptors hunting by scent in the previous movie)! Razz

The San Diego scene can be forgiven since cop expected to face a rage fueled T. rex. And even then, they were pretty close to killing it if Sarah hadn't shot first. Now, with so much has gone one since then, there is no way how the U.S. government/military isn't prepared to deal with them.

Just because science fiction requires people to suspend disbelief does NOT give it right for it to lack common sense/stupid. Even more so with a franchise so ground in reality such as this one.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:03 pm

Like DNA being preserved in amber for literally hundreds of millions of years? Is that somehow less plausible than certain governments not being able to contain outbreaks of extremely dangerous foreign animals that, even in a world where dinosaurs exist, they'd still know very little about?

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:13 pm

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Like DNA being preserved in amber for literally hundreds of millions of years? Is that somehow less plausible than certain governments not being able to contain outbreaks of extremely dangerous foreign animals that, even in a world where dinosaurs exist, they'd still know very little about?

At the time, it was the only way that made sense how dinosaur DNA could be achieved. Nobody believed that DNA would come from a fossilized dinosaur, at least until that of B-rex was found fairly recently, and even that was sheer luck. With the world we live in, via it being so high tech and all, it's impossible for the superpowers NOT to know about dinosaurs roaming in their countries and wipe them out. With the U.S.A., it's due to superior firepower and the gun culture (rednecks, hillbillies, backwoodsmen, mountain men, professional hunters, etc.). With Russia and China, it would be due to totalitarian governments brutally crushing the dinosaurs under the guise of defending their people from invaders.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:22 pm

Seems kinda redundant to me to constantly harp on the unlikely when discussing a franchise based on the impossible, especially taking into account the fact that we don't know the specific story points that will likely lead to the outbreak.

It seems to me as though you're trying to shoot this last film down before it even has a chance.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:15 am

Using the websites as a way of accusing Universal of such things just seems a bit disrespectful to the people that worked on those sites, to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:03 pm

On a side note, I am curious as to what kind of viral marketing will be introduced in the run-up to the third film. Will it still be DPG stuff, or will they create a new site with totally new content, and how will that tie into the canon.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:18 pm

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On a side note, I am curious as to what kind of viral marketing will be introduced in the run-up to the third film. Will it still be DPG stuff, or will they create a new site with totally new content, and how will that tie into the canon.

Any ideas?
whats that one viral marketing twitter called? The one that posted rex destroying San Diego in TLW.

I feel like that will come back and be built upon. Unless it was simply extremely late marketing for Fallen kingdom.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:22 pm

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whats that one viral marketing twitter called? The one that posted rex destroying San Diego in TLW.

I feel like that will come back and be built upon. Unless it was simply extremely late marketing for Fallen kingdom.

Exinction_Now! https://twitter.com/Extinction_Now

Yeah, it would be cool to see that elaborated on a bit, although I do feel as though it may have been a one-off situation. It would be cool to see both the DPG and EN pages running again, this time communicating and arguing with each other more and more. Competing for followers even xD

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:29 am

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whats that one viral marketing twitter called? The one that posted rex destroying San Diego in TLW.

I feel like that will come back and be built upon. Unless it was simply extremely late marketing for Fallen kingdom.

Exinction_Now! https://twitter.com/Extinction_Now

Yeah, it would be cool to see that elaborated on a bit, although I do feel as though it may have been a one-off situation. It would be cool to see both the DPG and EN pages running again, this time communicating and arguing with each other more and more. Competing for followers even xD
I mean tbh the EN twitter appeared to really come out too late to do anything and should have been active at the same time the DPG one was .

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone else think this about the sites now?   Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:16 pm

The EN website and Twitter account honestly seem like last minute additions, as if it was a requirement that people didn't really want to do so they left it until the end of the viral marketing, and it shows. The website has a tiny fraction of what the DPG website has, and the Twitter account was barely active. I wanted more of that DPG opposition, but we may never get it.
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