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I do like Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom but mostly prefer the more realistic tone in Jurassic Park and The Lost World (Jurassic Park 3 doesn't get bombastic however I feel it was the beginning of the change of tone). The new trilogy has definitely taken a more bombastic approach but is that bad? Both Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom made over a billion dollars so the trilogy does for sure has an audience. They are different and I think they were mostly designed for getting new fans and than for us longtime fans.

So in my opinion it's a yes and no answer as I don't think it's bad as it's getting more fans to the franchise but yes as the days of the more realistic Jurassic Park are over and that's sad to say. But what is your opinion on this?



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It all depends on whether it's done well imho. For example, I think it was done well in Jurassic World, but not as well in Fallen Kingdom. Jurassic World knew what it was and (imho) delivered on it. Fallen Kingdom on the other hand was a film that I feel sort of struggled with its own identity, not knowing whether it was a bombastic thrill ride like Jurassic World or a darker thriller type film, and in the end, it felt a bit confused to me.

At this point, I'd prefer a darker, more realistic film, but at the time of Jurassic World's release, I think a big, loud bombastic thrill ride with tons of fan service was exactly what the doctor ordered to rinse the bad taste of JP3 out of people's mouths.

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I've been thinking about the difference between struggling to avoid going over a cliff (TLW) VS going over a cliff and emerging unscathed (FK). This seems to embody the different between the older JP films and new JW movies - I prefer the old, Spielbergian suspense as opposed to bombastic action, but it seems like that's the way these types of films are made these days.
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@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
At this point, I'd prefer a darker, more realistic film, but at the time of Jurassic World's release, I think a big, loud bombastic thrill ride with tons of fan service was exactly what the doctor ordered to rinse the bad taste of JP3 out of people's mouths.

I actually agree with this...mostly. It needed to be a trill ride, but at the same time, I do wish that it had been slightly smarter.



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I do like Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom but mostly prefer the more realistic tone in Jurassic Park and The Lost World (Jurassic Park 3 doesn't get bombastic however I feel it was the beginning of the change of tone). The new trilogy has definitely taken a more bombastic approach but is that bad? Both Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom made over a billion dollars so the trilogy does for sure has an audience. They are different and I think they were mostly designed for getting new fans and than for us longtime fans.

So in my opinion it's a yes and no answer as I don't think it's bad as it's getting more fans to the franchise but yes as the days of the more realistic Jurassic Park are over and that's sad to say. But what is your opinion on this?


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I've been thinking about the difference between struggling to avoid going over a cliff (TLW) VS going over a cliff and emerging unscathed (FK). This seems to embody the different between the older JP films and new JW movies - I prefer the old, Spielbergian suspense as opposed to bombastic action, but it seems like that's the way these types of films are made these days.

But how much of this is due to the fact that the fanbase doesn't demand that this new trilogy is smarter and realistic as a collective whole/overwhelming majority? Not demanding better=getting the same style of...whatever it is. Sorry, but this franchise was NEVER meant to be F&F with dinosaurs.

I have to say this, saying that 'the new direction isn't for old fans' to me is code for "We're going to screw over the old fans for the sake of being hip and new." That hasn't worked for Star Trek, Star Wars, or the comic book branch of Marvel. It also hasn't worked for the DCEU version of Superman, either.

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Ive been thinking about this too lately. To me, its like the original trilogy (including 3) were sci fi thrillers, yet the new trilogy are action blockbusters. Same as the terminator franchise from the 3rd film.
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I know what you mean. Some scenes in JW and FK were a little too unrealistic for my tastes, but unfortunately, general audiences don't have patience for slow-burn movies like the original JP anymore. So I wouldn't hold my breath that it'll change.

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I know what you mean. Some scenes in JW and FK were a little too unrealistic for my tastes, but unfortunately, general audiences don't have patience for slow-burn movies like the original JP anymore. So I wouldn't hold my breath that it'll change.  

They did for Godzilla 2014 and the first 2 Avengers movies. If it's made well enough, has a good story, and stays faithful to whatever the movie is about, then the slow burn style does still work.

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Yeah but with Avengers, even the slower scenes are interesting because... it's superheroes, and everyone loves superheroes. Whereas, with JP, it's just some scientists talking about DNA and whatnot. My point is, anyone outside of the JP loop isn't going to find that stuff very engaging.
Godzilla 2014... not sure how they got away with that. Maybe 'cause Brian Cranston was in it? ;p

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I simply don't care much for movies that take a franchise in a different tonal direction than originally intended. World and Fallen Kingdom went full-on action and very little suspense and drama that the first two had; JP3 was an odd mix of trying to keep the "what did InGen do" from TLW and streamlining things for a fast-paced ride.

Bride of Chucky went for a meta take on the Child's Play franchise and while it's not a bad movie (better than CP3 in my opinion), it still feels like a different franchise almost. Critters 2, while popularly agreed to be the best in the Critters franchise, is way cornier and hits for comedy more than the dark humor and horror of the first, and it just puts me off.

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I definitely wish JW:FK was darker. Noting how some swear words were edited out and at least one death scene removed, I feel like it might have been on track to be darker at one point but ended up being pretty actiony. I feel like we were in the end given a film that was split between dark horror and adventure-seeking. Here's hoping JW3 can make up its mind better.

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@ChaoticianDrac wrote:
I definitely wish JW:FK was darker. Noting how some swear words were edited out and at least one death scene removed, I feel like it might have been on track to be darker at one point but ended up being pretty actiony. I feel like we were in the end given a film that was split between dark horror and adventure-seeking. Here's hoping JW3 can make up its mind better.

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Maisie's nanny was supposed to have been killed by the Indoraptor, but it was cut.

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Maisie's nanny was supposed to have been killed by the Indoraptor, but it was cut.

Not going to lie, I was glad Iris' death was cut. In the context of the film, it doesn't make sense for her to still be there.
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Thanks guys, I forgot about Iris... lol!
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The thing about Iris being killed is it would have made the indoraptor and the dinosaurs in general seem like more a threat to the good guys, and create a bit of horror for the audience as in FK in particular the dinosaurs only seemed to eat the bad guys. The only "goodie" who died was Lockwood, who was obviously never near an actual dinosaur. The film was missing the Muldoon/Eddie/Udesky/Zara moment where the dinosaurs are indiscriminate in who they munch.
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The thing about Iris being killed is it would have made the indoraptor and the dinosaurs in general seem like more a threat to the good guys, and create a bit of horror for the audience as in FK in particular the dinosaurs only seemed to eat the bad guys. The only "goodie" who died was Lockwood, who was obviously never near an actual dinosaur. The film was missing the Muldoon/Eddie/Udesky/Zara moment where the dinosaurs are indiscriminate in who they munch.

Agreed, I remember seeing an interview with Bayona when the film came out & he said something like none of the good guys deserved to die so they didn't, probably why Iris death scene was cut?
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Yeah, now you have to "deserve" to die...so I guess Muldoon, Udesky, and Zara deserved it.
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@Megatronus Rex wrote:
Yeah, now you have to "deserve" to die...so I guess Muldoon, Udesky, and Zara deserved it.

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Meh yeah really wish they would have kept it in. They had their chance for a darker film and just skipped over it..

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