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PostSubject: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. Your thoughts one year later   Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. Your thoughts one year later Icon_minitimeThu Jun 27, 2019 7:52 am

Over a year ago. Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom came out. Many liked it, others, myself included, thought it was a mess.

One year later, what are your thoughts on it? Has it changed and if so, it is for the better, worse, or the same/roughly the same?

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My opinion about it has roughly been the same. I enjoyed JWFK immensely, still do, and probably will continue placing it next to TLW as my favorite sequel of the series. JW's position has slightly changed and honestly I have more of a positive opinion about it as well. JP3 is the only one that changed negatively after continuous viewing unfortunately. I've been working on developing a greater appreciation of it at least though and probably will as time marches on until the inevitable heat death of the universe or we destroy the planet by our hubris. Whichever happens first. Razz

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When I saw it a year ago I basically had to try to force myself to like it. Now that I'm further removed from it and have watched it a couple more times, I can honestly say that I didn't really enjoy it. I certainly enjoyed elements of it, but as a whole it just didn't work for me. It's as though the film took the worst elements of Jurassic World (a film that I will still adamantly defend, despite it's flaws) and amplified them to 11.

One could argue that Jurassic World moved at too brisk a pace, but at least when it picked up, it never let go, making for an exciting ride from beginning to end. By contrast, Fallen Kingdom never really built any sort of momentum. The pacing was all over the place, especially the jarring transition from Isla Nublar to Lockwood manor. There were other pacing problems as well. On it's own, the scene where the Indoraptor is stalking Maisie in her bedroom is a tense, atmospheric and extremely well choreographed scene. However, the fact that the scene right before it was a balls-out chase sequence completely undermined any tension that the bedroom scene could have provided.

As far as the characters go, they were a step back from Jurassic World. While one could make the argument that Jurassic World's characters were somewhat one dimensional, they were at least likeable. No new character that was introduced in Fallen Kingdom had the impact that Masrani or a Lowry had in Jurassic World, and that's to say nothing of the classic characters that were introduced in the first two films. The villains in FK were basically cartoon characters. Zia and Franklin were annoying. The dinosaurs themselves were even more anthropomorphized than the ones in Jurassic World. The callbacks to the first film were distracting and unnecessary.

Overall, I'll still give it the nod over JP3, if not for any other reason than the fact that it tried harder, but I really can't say much more positive than that.

"It had some good scenes and it tried"

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. After JW, I was hopeful that some of the kinks could be ironed out and that the franchise would only improve from that point on. Instead, issues not only persisted, but were amplified to the N'th degree in FK, and I can't say that my hype for JW3 hasn't taken a pretty massive hit as a result. I'm still willing to allow Trevorrow the freedom to finish the trilogy however he sees fit without throwing a hissy fit. He's earned that much. But I don't have a ton of hope for the last installment of the JW franchise.

Regardless of how we may feel about these films, Trevorrow has at least proven that this franchise is still insanely profitable. Hopefully, once the World franchise is finished, someone new can take the reigns and deliver something a little more in the spirit of Jurassic Park.

Just my 2 cents.

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@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
When I saw it a year ago I basically had to try to force myself to like it. Now that I'm further removed from it and have watched it a couple more times, I can honestly say that I didn't really enjoy it. I certainly enjoyed elements of it, but as a whole it just didn't work for me. It's as though the film took the worst elements of Jurassic World (a film that I will still adamantly defend, despite it's flaws) and amplified them to 11.

One could argue that Jurassic World moved at too brisk a pace, but at least when it picked up, it never let go, making for an exciting ride from beginning to end. By contrast, Fallen Kingdom never really built any sort of momentum. The pacing was all over the place, especially the jarring transition from Isla Nublar to Lockwood manor. There were other pacing problems as well. On it's own, the scene where the Indoraptor is stalking Maisie in her bedroom is a tense, atmospheric and extremely well choreographed scene. However, the fact that the scene right before it was a balls-out chase sequence completely undermined any tension that the bedroom scene could have provided.

As far as the characters go, they were a step back from Jurassic World. While one could make the argument that Jurassic World's characters were somewhat one dimensional, they were at least likeable. No new character that was introduced in Fallen Kingdom had the impact that Masrani or a Lowry had in Jurassic World, and that's to say nothing of the classic characters that were introduced in the first two films. The villains in FK were basically cartoon characters. Zia and Franklin were annoying. The dinosaurs themselves were even more anthropomorphized than the ones in Jurassic World. The callbacks to the first film were distracting and unnecessary.  

Overall, I'll still give it the nod over JP3, if not for any other reason than the fact that it tried harder, but I really can't say much more positive than that.

"It had some good scenes and it tried"

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. After JW, I was hopeful that some of the kinks could be ironed out and that the franchise would only improve from that point on. Instead, issues not only persisted, but were amplified to the N'th degree in FK, and I can't say that my hype for JW3 hasn't taken a pretty massive hit as a result. I'm still willing to allow Trevorrow the freedom to finish the trilogy however he sees fit without throwing a hissy fit. He's earned that much. But I don't have a ton of hope for the last installment of the JW franchise.

Regardless of how we may feel about these films, Trevorrow has at least proven that this franchise is still insanely profitable. Hopefully, once the World franchise is finished, someone new can take the reigns and deliver something a little more in the spirit of Jurassic Park.

Just my 2 cents.

That and the movie felt like it could have easily been made without Indoraptor. I. rex did MORE enough in the first JW to prove her existence. Indoraptor never did.

I still think that this movie was the wrong one that came out last year. Personally, if we had got a movie that took place in between the OT and the JW trilogy and if JW:FK came out in 2021, but with the Sorna/T. rtex ending the was planned, then at least I could defend the movie in saying that it ended the franchise on a happy note.

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Still love it, especially it's dark atmospheric nature, best sequel alongside TLW for me, an 8/10.
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I quite enjoyed it and still do, despite some things that bother me (especially the totally blatant retcon of Lockwood's being Hammond's previously unmentioned partner, on top of which Cromwell coulnd't do a passable English accent).

That said, I still really enjoy it and IMO Bayona was the first director since Spielberg who understood how to create atmosphere and memorable imagery. I was also happy they finally made a film that felt like it advanced the overall story of the franchise and had a large portion which took place off the island.

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I find it ironic that the one sequel I was most worried about (which was Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom), I had no problem with when I actually ended up seeing it. Probably because it got me so curious about volcanoes that I started researching them and am even on the verge of getting into the field of Volcanology because of it (I even ran into someone I went to school with that informed me I may be able to apply for government funding for school and transportation and the like, since the college where they offer the courses is about an hour away).

Granted, Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom didn't get the science 100% right, otherwise Owen wouldn't have survived, since even I know that you can't outrun a pyroclastic flow, but since it's a movie, not a documentary, I'm willing to overlook that flaw.

I still quite enjoy JW: FK and rank it right after the original, with the first JW a close third (I said that it would fall either before or after JW, since nothing beats the original). I still remember a kid in the theater asking: "What's that noise?" when Owen is searching for Blue. My response would be: "Um, perhaps the volcano?" since the spot where Blue was located was very close to where Mt. Sibo is. Very Happy

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If I have to be brutally honest, it was one of the worst films I saw last year.

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The three things that bothered me the most were;

1. Wasted opportunities. That baryonyx scene started off so good but what killed the tension is that you knew those two characters werent going to die. You knew they would get away unharmed. It would have been better if there were other characters with them to keep you guessing who was going to cop it. I actually thought it would have been cool if the barry dragged someone into the lava haha. Also there were no memorable deaths like the first two films. I did like the wheatley death though.

2. Owen was too lucky. He woke up just as the lave was about to get him and the tranq wore off at the right time. After that he just happened to run to the exact spot that claire and franklin were, jumped off a cliff into the ocean, could see underwater (I hate that in movies haha), and managed to get them out of the gyrosphere. Theres more in the film.

3. The indoraptor was not scary. I remember an interview where they said it was going to be like Alien. Not even close. Especially when you know the main characters arent gonna die.

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