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It's funny that this thread was revived at this specific time since I actually got JWFK on 4k recently for a very cheap price and I decided to watch it again last night. One of the key issues with FK and JW is that it doesn't feel like JP at all; like Tyrant Lizard said above they feel like Marvel movies or at least what I'll call a "modern blockbuster". Everything from the bombastic action to the Marvel esque humor feels extremely out of place with what came before. Watch JW or FK and then watch JP or TLW and they feel alien to each other. The only part in FK that felt like it belonged in JP was Claire's line "Remember the first time you saw a dinosaur?" and then they look over to the mother Triceratops and its baby in the cage. This moment in particular stood out to me because it's the first time the dinosaurs felt like real animals since maybe the brief herbivores by the river scene in JP3. Every other scene in both JW and FK the dinosaurs either feel like props, are mindless monsters (like when the carnotaurus stops during the middle of the eruption to fight a sinoceratops) or feel way too anthro. I've softened my stance on the whole raptors being slightly obedient, but what I haven't softened on is when Owen can wield Blue like a Pokemon and use her to fight other dinosaurs. Baby Blue is cute and all but I'm not a fan of her being a sidekick.

The call backs are a more delicate matter; fans defintely love small intelligently placed nods to the past (for example I liked how Masie trying to pull the door of the dumbwaiter as the Indo closed in mirrored Lex trying to get into the cabinet to hide from the raptors in JP). However, you can't have call backs basically dominate your whole movie; do we really need to have the Rex save the day again, twice in one movie. When the call backs are all over the place it ceases to be nice little easter eggs and nods to the old fans and morphs into member berries the movie.

Overall though the movie isn't good; I disliked it when I saw it in theaters and I still dislike it now. The plot tries to do too much while jumping the shark one too many times, the dialogue still needs work, the characters are paper thin, and the dinosaurs lack the gravitas they once commanded. For myself I have pretty much compartmentalized the JW movies as their own thing/a soft remake so I'm going into JW3 as kind of a bystander who's more curious than invested.
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@Megaspino2 wrote:
It's funny that this thread was revived at this specific time since I actually got JWFK on 4k recently for a very cheap price and I decided to watch it again last night. One of the key issues with FK and JW is that it doesn't feel like JP at all; like Tyrant Lizard said above they feel like Marvel movies or at least what I'll call a "modern blockbuster". Everything from the bombastic action to the Marvel esque humor feels extremely out of place with what came before. Watch JW or FK and then watch JP or TLW and they feel alien to each other. The only part in FK that felt like it belonged in JP was Claire's line "Remember the first time you saw a dinosaur?" and then they look over to the mother Triceratops and its baby in the cage. This moment in particular stood out to me because it's the first time the dinosaurs felt like real animals since maybe the brief herbivores by the river scene in JP3. Every other scene in both JW and FK the dinosaurs either feel like props, are mindless monsters (like when the carnotaurus stops during the middle of the eruption to fight a sinoceratops) or feel way too anthro. I've softened my stance on the whole raptors being slightly obedient, but what I haven't softened on is when Owen can wield Blue like a Pokemon and use her to fight other dinosaurs. Baby Blue is cute and all but I'm not a fan of her being a sidekick.

The call backs are a more delicate matter; fans defintely love small intelligently placed nods to the past (for example I liked how Masie trying to pull the door of the dumbwaiter as the Indo closed in mirrored Lex trying to get into the cabinet to hide from the raptors in JP). However, you can't have call backs basically dominate your whole movie; do we really need to have the Rex save the day again, twice in one movie. When the call backs are all over the place it ceases to be nice little easter eggs and nods to the old fans and morphs into member berries the movie.

Overall though the movie isn't good; I disliked it when I saw it in theaters and I still dislike it now. The plot tries to do too much while jumping the shark one too many times, the dialogue still needs work, the characters are paper thin, and the dinosaurs lack the gravitas they once commanded. For myself I have pretty much compartmentalized the JW movies as their own thing/a soft remake so I'm going into JW3 as kind of a bystander who's more curious than invested.

It's interesting that you bring up the "Remember the first time you saw a dinosaur" scene. I remember when the clip of that scene was released before the film came out and being floored by it. It's such a simple little scene, but it captured the essence of JP in a way that few scenes in the World series have so far. Then I saw it within the context of the film and it barely even registered with me. For whatever reason, and maybe this is just my experience, but it hit me on a much deeper level as a standalone scene without any context than it did within the film. I had a similar experience with the scene with the Indoraptor in Maisie's bedroom. As a standalone scene, it's phenomenal (imo). Dark, atmospheric, and tense as hell. However, the scene in question follows a big, effects laden chase sequence through Lockwood Manor that, imo, completely undermines the tension of the bedroom scene.

Basically, in addition to the script issues we've been over a thousand times, I really feel there were some pretty jarring structural issues as well. Scenes that should have worked didn't because of their placement in the film.

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@Megaspino2 wrote:
It's funny that this thread was revived at this specific time since I actually got JWFK on 4k recently for a very cheap price and I decided to watch it again last night. One of the key issues with FK and JW is that it doesn't feel like JP at all; like Tyrant Lizard said above they feel like Marvel movies or at least what I'll call a "modern blockbuster". Everything from the bombastic action to the Marvel esque humor feels extremely out of place with what came before. Watch JW or FK and then watch JP or TLW and they feel alien to each other. The only part in FK that felt like it belonged in JP was Claire's line "Remember the first time you saw a dinosaur?" and then they look over to the mother Triceratops and its baby in the cage. This moment in particular stood out to me because it's the first time the dinosaurs felt like real animals since maybe the brief herbivores by the river scene in JP3. Every other scene in both JW and FK the dinosaurs either feel like props, are mindless monsters (like when the carnotaurus stops during the middle of the eruption to fight a sinoceratops) or feel way too anthro. I've softened my stance on the whole raptors being slightly obedient, but what I haven't softened on is when Owen can wield Blue like a Pokemon and use her to fight other dinosaurs. Baby Blue is cute and all but I'm not a fan of her being a sidekick.

The call backs are a more delicate matter; fans definitely love small intelligently placed nods to the past (for example I liked how Masie trying to pull the door of the dumbwaiter as the Indo closed in mirrored Lex trying to get into the cabinet to hide from the raptors in JP). However, you can't have call backs basically dominate your whole movie; do we really need to have the Rex save the day again, twice in one movie. When the call backs are all over the place it ceases to be nice little easter eggs and nods to the old fans and morphs into member berries the movie.

This effectively sums up my criticisms of the JW movies. The dinosaurs are portrayed unrealistically. I place the blame for this with JP///. It's the first time in the movies that the animals went from being, "They're not monsters, they're just animals. They just do what they do." to becoming, "theme park monsters, nothing more and nothing less." I may have come to terms with many of the things in JP///, but I will forever hate how it irrevocably changed the perception of dinosaurs in the franchise. Dinosaurs in the JP movies used to represent a chaotic neutral element. They were the wind, or the tornado in Twister; neither evil nor heroic. They simply existed within the course of the story being told. Now they're not animals, they're either super villains or superheroes.

But hey, I point this out and I get told, "Well nothing in Jurassic World is natural. They were never real dinosaurs and they don't have to be portrayed realistically." Or, "It's just a movie."

Also, I do think the nostalgia bait was more subtle in FK than it was in JW. In JW, the entire movie succumbed to "hey, remember THIS?!" It even grinded on Spielberg's gears at a point. FK was more visually nostalgic, but it at least didn't really use it as a crutch for the story, which itself was pretty derivative.

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Yes the dinosaurs were treated more like actual animals in JP & TLW (more so in TLW).

That said I think the first JP did portray the Velociraptors as "villains" to a degree. The Raptors were presented more like animals in TLW and JP3.

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@Megaspino2 wrote:
It's funny that this thread was revived at this specific time since I actually got JWFK on 4k recently for a very cheap price and I decided to watch it again last night. One of the key issues with FK and JW is that it doesn't feel like JP at all; like Tyrant Lizard said above they feel like Marvel movies or at least what I'll call a "modern blockbuster". Everything from the bombastic action to the Marvel esque humor feels extremely out of place with what came before. Watch JW or FK and then watch JP or TLW and they feel alien to each other. The only part in FK that felt like it belonged in JP was Claire's line "Remember the first time you saw a dinosaur?" and then they look over to the mother Triceratops and its baby in the cage. This moment in particular stood out to me because it's the first time the dinosaurs felt like real animals since maybe the brief herbivores by the river scene in JP3. Every other scene in both JW and FK the dinosaurs either feel like props, are mindless monsters (like when the carnotaurus stops during the middle of the eruption to fight a sinoceratops) or feel way too anthro. I've softened my stance on the whole raptors being slightly obedient, but what I haven't softened on is when Owen can wield Blue like a Pokemon and use her to fight other dinosaurs. Baby Blue is cute and all but I'm not a fan of her being a sidekick.

The call backs are a more delicate matter; fans definitely love small intelligently placed nods to the past (for example I liked how Masie trying to pull the door of the dumbwaiter as the Indo closed in mirrored Lex trying to get into the cabinet to hide from the raptors in JP). However, you can't have call backs basically dominate your whole movie; do we really need to have the Rex save the day again, twice in one movie. When the call backs are all over the place it ceases to be nice little easter eggs and nods to the old fans and morphs into member berries the movie.

This effectively sums up my criticisms of the JW movies. The dinosaurs are portrayed unrealistically. I place the blame for this with JP///. It's the first time in the movies that the animals went from being, "They're not monsters, they're just animals. They just do what they do." to becoming, "theme park monsters, nothing more and nothing less." I may have come to terms with many of the things in JP///, but I will forever hate how it irrevocably changed the perception of dinosaurs in the franchise. Dinosaurs in the JP movies used to represent a chaotic neutral element. They were the wind, or the tornado in Twister; neither evil nor heroic. They simply existed within the course of the story being told. Now they're not animals, they're either super villains or superheroes.

But hey, I point this out and I get told, "Well nothing in Jurassic World is natural. They were never real dinosaurs and they don't have to be portrayed realistically." Or, "It's just a movie."

That is what drives me crazy about the "Oh it is just a movie, you are not supposed to be taking it seriously" argument...

I actually do not mind if people choose to ignore the mistakes and not take the films seriously. But the problem I do have is that the very same people that use that argument of "Oh just ignore the unrealistic" go in full alarm and panic mode whenever I mention the idea of a rematch and they usually use the "No! A rematch can not happen because it is unrealistic, forced and could damage the quality of the film!" argument.

So...Wich one is it? Are we taking this films seriously or not?

Whenever I mention how much I dislike JW and JWFK using the dinosaurs as zords from the Power Rangers I am usually told "Oh relax, it is only a movie. Movies are unreal. This is all relative and subjective". Then I mention having a rematch and their argument is always "No! That is unrealistic and takes away the seriousness of the film!".  

So ok...A T Rex fighting a Spinosaurus is "unrealistic" and makes the film not serious. But then those very same people who say that are willing to ignore and defend how Rexy always comes out of nowhere to save the humans... Like seriously, people need to stop using the "It is only a movie, movies are unrealistic" and then the very next day argue about what the movie needs to do right in order to be realistic and of high quality whenever someone brings up an idea they do not like.

If you are not going to take the films seriously, fine my respect to you. But be consistent. Do not just use that argument when someone points out a flaw of something you do like and then ignore that argument it whenever someone brings up an idea you dislike.

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@Megaspino2 wrote:
It's funny that this thread was revived at this specific time since I actually got JWFK on 4k recently for a very cheap price and I decided to watch it again last night. One of the key issues with FK and JW is that it doesn't feel like JP at all; like Tyrant Lizard said above they feel like Marvel movies or at least what I'll call a "modern blockbuster". Everything from the bombastic action to the Marvel esque humor feels extremely out of place with what came before. Watch JW or FK and then watch JP or TLW and they feel alien to each other. The only part in FK that felt like it belonged in JP was Claire's line "Remember the first time you saw a dinosaur?" and then they look over to the mother Triceratops and its baby in the cage. This moment in particular stood out to me because it's the first time the dinosaurs felt like real animals since maybe the brief herbivores by the river scene in JP3. Every other scene in both JW and FK the dinosaurs either feel like props, are mindless monsters (like when the carnotaurus stops during the middle of the eruption to fight a sinoceratops) or feel way too anthro. I've softened my stance on the whole raptors being slightly obedient, but what I haven't softened on is when Owen can wield Blue like a Pokemon and use her to fight other dinosaurs. Baby Blue is cute and all but I'm not a fan of her being a sidekick.

The call backs are a more delicate matter; fans defintely love small intelligently placed nods to the past (for example I liked how Masie trying to pull the door of the dumbwaiter as the Indo closed in mirrored Lex trying to get into the cabinet to hide from the raptors in JP). However, you can't have call backs basically dominate your whole movie; do we really need to have the Rex save the day again, twice in one movie. When the call backs are all over the place it ceases to be nice little easter eggs and nods to the old fans and morphs into member berries the movie.

Overall though the movie isn't good; I disliked it when I saw it in theaters and I still dislike it now. The plot tries to do too much while jumping the shark one too many times, the dialogue still needs work, the characters are paper thin, and the dinosaurs lack the gravitas they once commanded. For myself I have pretty much compartmentalized the JW movies as their own thing/a soft remake so I'm going into JW3 as kind of a bystander who's more curious than invested.

It's interesting that you bring up the "Remember the first time you saw a dinosaur" scene. I remember when the clip of that scene was released before the film came out and being floored by it. It's such a simple little scene, but it captured the essence of JP in a way that few scenes in the World series have so far. Then I saw it within the context of the film and it barely even registered with me. For whatever reason, and maybe this is just my experience, but it hit me on a much deeper level as a standalone scene without any context than it did within the film. I had a similar experience with the scene with the Indoraptor in Maisie's bedroom. As a standalone scene, it's phenomenal (imo). Dark, atmospheric, and tense as hell. However, the scene in question follows a big, effects laden chase sequence through Lockwood Manor that, imo, completely undermines the tension of the bedroom scene.

Basically, in addition to the script issues we've been over a thousand times, I really feel there were some pretty jarring structural issues as well. Scenes that should have worked didn't because of their placement in the film.

I had that reaction to every scene you just mentioned. Even in the stellar opening I have to be completely honest, I didn’t care for the Mosa jumping out and killing the guy. Personally I just found it to be a bit much. Or maybe I’d have liked that part of the scene little more if it wasn’t spoiled so badly haha.

FK is peppered with fantastic moments and fantastic special effects. But something in the connective tissue simply doesn’t do it for me. These little gold nuggets and gems get lost in the film. I’m a firm believer that less is more would have worked wonders for FK.

I’m really envious of the people who loved FK. I’d definitely like to be on that side.
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A big reason why I love FK is because it's like a combination of disaster and horror/suspense films.

It's not at all perfect but it was the film that I wanted.

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My thoughts on FK haven’t really changed. I wanted to like it, I really did... but I just can’t. The new characters are the most insufferable of the franchise, the Indoraptor is a cartoon villain, they destroyed Nublar, they destroyed Sorna offscreen, and they completely took it the franchise in a direction that doesn’t feel like Jurassic Park. Essentially, FK jumped the shark. It even failed to deliver on one of the things that was pushed the most in the trailers: the return of Ian Malcolm. Such a disappointment.
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