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Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Good, semi-good, & bad dino sources
JD-man

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Search in: The Museum   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Good, semi-good, & bad dino sources    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2019 7:39 am
I originally posted the following at deviantART (Part 4: https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-Semi-good-and-Bad-Dino-Sources-4-800236863 ). I encourage you to make your own list of good, semi-good, & bad dino sources. It doesn't have to be the same format or include the same sources.

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Hi everybody,

I was originally planning on "Good, semi-good, and bad dino sources 3" being the last part in the series ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 ). However, I've since learned more about some of the already-listed sources & others.

Cheers,
Herman Diaz

Good

Remember what I said about the AMNH (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 )? The same goes for the Smithsonian ("Smithsonian Institution: Smithsonian Homepage": https://www.si.edu/ ). "The museum's new Deep Time Hall" ( http://dino-sours.tumblr.com/post/170584157882/10-things-im-excited-for-in-the-new-national ) & the book based on it ( https://www.amazon.com/Smithsonian-Dinosaurs-Other-Amazing-Creatures-ebook/dp/B07H1XJTJB ) are especially good examples of that.

Remember what I said about Gardom/Milner's "The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs" (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-1-351589315 )? Naish/Barrett's "Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved" does everything Gardom/Milner's book does, but mostly bigger & better (See books #2 & #1 for what I mean: https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Top-4-natural-histories-of-dinos-758236511 ).

Remember what I said about "Prehistoric Beast of the Week" & "Paleoaerie" (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 )? The same mostly goes for "Palaeos, la historia de la Vida en la Tierra" ( http://palaeos-blog.blogspot.com/ ). Put another way, the latter is more-or-less to Mexico what the former are to NJ & AR, respectively.

Remember what I said about Witton (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 )? Apparently, I didn't say enough. My bad. Given the combination of his paleoart influence ( https://chasmosaurs.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-great-2017-palaeoart-survey-some.html ), his paleoart books ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU3n7SMi0FI ), & his recent paleoart ( http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2018/02/a-mural-for-dippy-restoring-celebrity.html ), he's basically the modern day Charles R. Knight.

Semi-good

Remember what I said about Benton & Brusatte (See "Semi-good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-2-454991435 )? Norman ("Dr David Norman — Department of Earth Sciences": https://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/directory/david-norman ) is similar, but more layered:
-On the 1 hand, he's a consistently good source for the specialist. His ornithopod work is especially notable (E.g. To quote Witton, "For an easy to access, relatively up to date and inexpensive look at a bunch of iguanodonts, you could do a lot worse than checking out Dave Norman's chapter on ornithopods in English Wealden Fossils": http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2014/01/remembering-iguanodon.html ).*
-On the other hand, he's a not-so-consistent source for casual readers/the enthusiast. Yes, "When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth" & "Dinosaur!" are both great & I reviewed the former as such ( https://www.amazon.com/review/RJ6H99FGIW6CC/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8 ). However, a lot of his other popular work is just OK for reasons discussed in said review.
-1 especially good example of that is his "Ask the Expert" column in "Dinosaurs!" magazine ( https://chasmosaurs.blogspot.com/2012/01/vintage-dinosaur-art-yet-more-dinosaurs.html ): For 1, compare his T.rex answer to "Mythical Match" (which is from the 1971 book, "Animal Ghosts": http://agathaumas.blogspot.com/2011/10/antropocentrismo-e-paleoillustrazione.html ); For another, compare his "feather theory" answer to the Gardom/Milner quote (which is from the 1993 edition of "The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs").
-Another especially good example is his review of Bakker's "Raptor Red" & how it reminds me of the "nature fakers controversy" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_fakers_controversy ): On the 1 hand, I agree w/Burroughs about unverified claims being presented as facts; On the other hand, Burroughs comes off as blindly dismissive of the possibility that animals are more than just automatons; In reference to the latter, I think Seton was especially good at showing that "animals are creatures with wants and feelings differing in degree only from our own" ( http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=seton&book=wild&story=_front ); You could argue that Seton ultimately won the debate given that "his contributions to natural history included pioneering work in what would become the sciences of ecology and ethology" (which backed up a lot of what he said: https://books.google.com/books?id=RWQH8iSDQhEC&pg=PR7&dq=%22seton+may+be+best%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN_cXk7IjaAhUET98KHcSEAFUQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=%22seton%20may%20be%20best%22&f=false ). Similarly, Norman comes off as blindly dismissive of Bakker's book (which got a lot right: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/RaptorRed ).

*I'm specifically referring to his 1980s Iguanodon work (which reminds me of Dollo's 1880s Iguanodon work in terms of changing our views of how Iguanodon looked & behaved).

Quoting Gardom/Milner: "Why feathers? It is generally agreed that birds evolved from small meat-eating theropod dinosaurs. Obviously these dinosaurs did not sprout feathers overnight and become birds, so there must have been a long period when some of the small theropods were experimenting with feathers, which are only a different version of scales."

Bad

As you may remember from my Riddle review ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R47I7QPHDIHYD/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0300164351 ), BANDits are basically the paleo equivalent of creationists & global warming deniers ( https://dinosaurpalaeo.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/banditry-creationism-and-global-warming-denial/ ). Similarly, Ford ("Brian J Ford scientific home page") is basically the paleo equivalent of a flat earther. Ford's dino work is so bad that 1) NHBS sells it w/a Surgeon General-esque warning ("The aquatic dinosaur hypothesis of Ford, who is not himself a palaeontologist, is considered controversial in palaeontological circles and generally not taken seriously, being at odds with a large body of evidence. Interested readers might also want to have a look at the pieces written by palaeontologists Brian Switek for Smithsonian.com, and Darren Naish for Scientific American": https://www.nhbs.com/too-big-to-walk-book ), & 2) Naish has had to dissect it 3 separate times (which are as follows):
-"Palaeontology bites back…": https://darrennaish.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/naish-2012-labnews-response-to-ford-aquatic-dinosaurs.pdf
-"Brian J. Ford's Aquatic Dinosaurs, 2014 Edition": https://web.archive.org/web/20180422065207/https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/brian-j-ford-s-aquatic-dinosaurs-2014-edition/
-"A Vast Quantity of Evidence Confirms That Non-Bird Dinosaurs Were Not Aquatic": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG50CGJJfUs

Remember what I said about Gwawinapterus/Johnfaa (See "Bad": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-1-351589315 )? Apparently, I didn't say enough. My bad. For 1, his real name is Carlos Miguel Albuquerque & he has since moved his "Gwawinapterus" content to "Ichthyoconodon – Prehistoric esoterism". For another, he's since been permabanned from both Wikipedia  (as Falconfly: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=prev&oldid=868840663&fbclid=IwAR0cqwNa_ZkFJEDHs6VF71y9sd2DRJRxraMGwLk7az_8XeGUceUnaWi6Eo4#User:Falconfly ) & the Tetrapod Zoology group (See the Naish quote).

Quoting Naish ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/156954631577624/permalink/318195005453585/?comment_id=318639152075837&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D ): "Hi everyone. A load of drama has happened in my few days of absence from this group. I can't make any sense of what's happened nor do I understand what the source of argument is. But one person here has been accused of bullying, of sending vindictive personal messages, and of displaying an attitude that is very contrary to the group-minded, co-operative discussions I most want to see here. I have therefore decided to remove that person from the group and I would advise other parties involved not to engage further via DM or whatever."
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: FCM Revivial
Megaspino2

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Search in: JP: Operation Genesis   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: FCM Revivial    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2019 9:14 pm
@Dinonerd343 wrote:
I have 3 questions to ask you Megaspino:

#1: Will the there still be dinosaurs from the old FCM HD mod like the Herrerasaurus and the Troodon ?

#2: Will this mod will be on moddb and will it be relased sometime in 2019 ?

#3: Will the Mamenchisaurus will be in the mod ?



The old dinosaurs will be in, no JW dinosaurs though.

I'm actually planning on putting it on Moddb once I have some more pictures since you need at least 5 pictures to post your mod and I don't want to be the guy who posts the same picture over and over to reach the limit Razz.

Mamenchi will be in the mod; it's a perfect candidate since we can edit models and animations now. This means the animations won't be so janky (the old one had very strange things happen with the neck when it bent).

Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: FCM Revivial
Dinonerd343

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Search in: JP: Operation Genesis   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: FCM Revivial    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2019 8:45 pm
I have 3 questions to ask you Megaspino:

#1: Will the there still be dinosaurs from the old FCM HD mod like the Herrerasaurus and the Troodon ?

#2: Will this mod will be on moddb and will it be relased sometime in 2019 ?

#3: Will the Mamenchisaurus will be in the mod ?
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: My Dinosaur Ecosystems experience
JD-man

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Search in: The Museum   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: My Dinosaur Ecosystems experience    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeWed Dec 05, 2018 12:22 am
I originally posted the following at deviantART ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-My-Dinosaur-Ecosystems-experience-775311804 ).

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Hi everybody!

On 11/16/18, I received my verified certificate for passing the "Dinosaur Ecosystems" course (100%: https://courses.edx.org/certificates/f2ae3b4a8ceb4dcc803a44c50df024e8?fbclid=IwAR2e1wLhDY5vKXPFw8vNJBI_yh-xetTG-wEnySGNGvkIXf-kkLqIKubUhS0 ). I enrolled in the course partly b/c of Paleoaerie's recommendation ( https://paleoaerie.org/2018/09/14/national-online-learning-day/?fbclid=IwAR2VnWO0rjLiZey8oxqznDzl6U-tUqzTs9gxaKM7aCDp5sK5-8l1ToK7_kk ), & partly to prepare myself for volunteering at a local dino museum (I think it'll help me be a better natural history interpreter). This journal entry is a modified version of my course review. 1 more thing of note: Before starting the course, I felt like Solrac in "SOLRACUEST" (See 2:30-3:00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJhATayEb4&t=1s ); After receiving my certificate, I felt like Homer in "The Simpsons- S-M-R-T" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA ).

Cheers,
Herman Diaz

Trying to review this course

I'm usually not very good at reviewing things in the moment, but I'll try.

What I liked: Almost everything about this course, especially how thorough it was (even more so than some books I've read in terms reconstructing a dino ecosystem as completely as possible), how concise each video was (which made it easier for me to focus on learning the topic at hand & re-watch the video multiple times for good measure), the use of images in each video (which made the video less static for me & helped me better understand what the ppl were talking about), the inclusion of transcripts & CC (which gave me the option of reading & listening at the same time AWA helped me better understand the ppl w/thick accents), & the practice questions (which helped me better understand why the correct answers were correct).

What I didn't like: I previously mentioned a few things that were mislabeled or presented not-so-well...but those are easy fixes. The only 2 things I didn't like that might be not-so-easy fixes were 1) Brusatte's Week 2 video being hard to take seriously, & 2) Weeks 5-6 having too much content for that amount of time. In reference to #1, I previously mentioned the weird factual errors in Brusatte's popular work in general & said video in particular...The other problem w/said video is Brusatte's presentation (which was less like that of the credible expert I know he is & more like that of a George Blasing-esque dork: https://www.deviantart.com/tyrantisterror/art/Jurassic-Fight-Club-Formula-136354754 ). More specifically, his voice got high & giggly several times throughout said video, as if he was trying not to bust out laughing for some reason. I get that Brusatte's excited to talk about his professional interests, but so are Dr. Pittman & the other course experts, yet they had no trouble showing that while also being dignified. In reference to #2, this course should've been 8 weeks long w/Weeks 5-6 being Weeks 5-8. In Weeks 1-4, I was able to spread the content out over 1 week & focus on (re-)watching 1 video per day without taking time out of my busy schedule. In Weeks 5-6, however, there was so much content that I had to stay up later every day & (re-)watch multiple videos on a given day.

Overall, 8 or 9/10, highly recommended to anyone w/an interest in dinos, especially non-expert dino fans like me.
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!
JD-man

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Search in: Dinosaur Jungles   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeWed Nov 14, 2018 12:42 am
My 52nd review for this thread is a negative 1 for Brooklyn's If You Were Raised by a Dinosaur. If you haven't already, I'd greatly appreciate you reading & voting "Helpful" for said review in the bolded link below. Besides wanting to make sure said review gives a good idea of what to expect, it needs all the "Helpful" votes it can get because it's outnumbered by opposing reviews (which don't give a good idea of what to expect: https://www.charlesbridge.com/products/if-you-were-raised-by-a-dinosaur ). Many thanks in advance.

The worst popular baby dino book ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R2PBFKZ4BOZCNN/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv ): 1/5

Short version: If you want the best baby dino book for older kids, get Zoehfeld's Dinosaur Parents, Dinosaur Young: Uncovering the Mystery of Dinosaur Families & read it in conjunction with other, more recent books (E.g. Holtz's Dinosaurs in general & Chapter 36 in particular). Brooklyn's If You Were Raised by a Dinosaur (henceforth You) may be the worst. It just goes to show what a difference some expert consulting & personal research can make.

Long version: Read on.

Many popular baby dino books are OK, but not great. There are 3 main reasons for why I think that is: 1) They're mixed bags in terms of paleoart (Quoting Miller: "I bought the book expecting a more technical discussion of the animals discussed therein...but was surprised to find beautiful paintings of questionably-restored dinosaurs"); 2) They're confusing messes in terms of organization; 3) They fail to cover many baby dino-related subjects & those that are covered are done so in an insufficient manner (I.e. Sometimes, they simplify things to the point of being meaningless; Other times, they're just plain wrong). In this review, I focus on reasons #1 & #3 & why I think they make You the worst popular baby dino book.

1) Not only is You's paleoart very questionable, but also very ugly. More specifically, it consists of cheap-looking paper collages of anachronistic assemblages of mostly gray/green/brown animals with wonky anatomy in inappropriate environments: In reference to "anachronistic assemblages", see the cover; There's a generic rhamphorhynchid pterosaur, a Massospondylus family, an Apatosaurus family, & a T.rex family; In reference to "wonky anatomy", see "Review update #52 (It's a big 1)!" for everything wrong with the cover in terms of anatomy ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/Review-update-52-It-s-a-big-1-772428585 ); In reference to "inappropriate environments", the cover depicts a grassland environment despite the fact that, to quote Holtz ( https://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/G104/lectures/104shadow.html ), "grasses seem to have been relatively rare in the Mesozoic, and did not form grasslands until much later. Ground cover in the later Mesozoic was a mixture of ferns and herbaceous angiosperms. So as far as we know, no dinosaur other than birds ever wandered in prairies or savannahs".

3A) In reference to "Sometimes", You's writing is overcomplicated (as opposed to oversimplified). More specifically, it's like when "Chandler and Monica ask Joey to write a recommendation letter for them to the adoption agency. To sound smart, Joey uses a thesaurus [on every word]" ( https://globalnews.ca/news/315234/friends-sitcom-helps-esl-community-learn-english/ ). The Brooklyn quote in "Review update #52 (It's a big 1)!" is the best example of that ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/Review-update-52-It-s-a-big-1-772428585 ): For 1, it's also the best example of incorrectly pluralized dino names (Seriously, "T. rexes"?); For another, it shamelessly rips off Chapter 17 of Holtz's Dinosaurs.

3B) In reference to "Other times", this is especially apparent in the Brooklyn quote below (which fails on so many levels that I need to quote the UCMP just to demonstrate): It fails to understand that Geist/Jones are 1) not dino experts, & 2) known for "publishing with a hidden agenda" ( http://web.archive.org/web/20171216234814/http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/07/17/birds-cannot-be-dinosaurs/ ); It fails to understand "modern-day [precocial] birds and alligators", most of which DO need parental care, including most of those in Geist/Jones's study; It fails to understand Maiasaura (which, to paraphrase Anthony J. Martin, "is arguably the best understood of nesting dinosaurs, only rivaled by its neighbors in the same field area, [Troodon]"); It fails to understand that Geist/Jones's study was at least 9 years out of date at the time of You's publication.

1 more thing of note: To quote Dussart (See Biosciences on the Internet: A Student's Guide), "The speed and ease of email, plus its association with the web, mean that it is relatively easy to find and contact experts"; Thus, there's no excuse for You to not have expert consulting, especially given that some experts make a living from consultancy (E.g. Darren Naish: https://darrennaish.wordpress.com/ ); At the very least, having it would've helped prevent many of the textual fails (if not the visual ones too); In fact, said fails are so basic that they could've easily been avoided with up-to-date personal research; Unfortunately, there's very little of said research in You & it's mostly used incorrectly; In contrast, Sattler's Tyrannosaurus Rex and Its Kin: The Mesozoic Monsters shows how good a non-authoritative book can be with a lot of said research ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R3INFL96O3PWAS/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=068807748X ).

Quoting Brooklyn:
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Not all scientists agree with the interpretation that Maiasaura babies needed parental care. Scientists Nicholas Geist and Terry Jones examined the hip and knee bones of different birds and alligators. They compared the hip bones and knee joints of Maiasaura to that of modern-day birds and alligators, which don't need parental care. The Maiasaura hips were at least as well developed as the birds', and the knee joints were no weaker than the birds' or alligators'. This might mean that Maiasaura babies did not need care from their parents as Horner believed.


Quoting the UCMP ( http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/science/eggshell/eggshell_case1.php ):
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In their original description of embryonic remains from the Willow Creek Anticline, Horner and Weishampel (1988) cited degree of ossification of the leg bones of Maiasaura and Troodon (then thought to be Orodromeus) to indicate the level of mobility of young after hatching. Subsequently, Geist and Jones (1996) compared extant perinatal (the developmental stage immediately prior to and following hatching) birds and crocodilians to fossil dinosaur embryos and hatchlings. They found that the extent of hip bone development was more important than leg bone development for recognizing precocial versus altricial hatchlings, and that the leg bones of Maiasaura, Troodon, and other dinosaurs did not reliably indicate the mobility of a hatchling. Geist and Jones suggested that the hatchling dinosaurs studied were likely precocial upon birth, although this does not preclude the provision of extended parental care. Horner et al. (2001) countered Geist and Jones' (1996) argument after an extensive histological analysis of turtle, crocodilian, non-avian dinosaur, and bird embryonic and perinatal bones that compared bone developmental patterns and growth rates. The authors correlated ossification and growth rates with life-history strategies. Horner et al. (2001) concluded that developmental differences (including growth rates) in embryonic and perinatal dinosaur bones from the Willow Creek Anticline indicate a precocial lifestyle for Troodon and Orodromeus hatchlings and an altricial lifestyle for hadrosaur hatchlings that necessitated parental care; this work supported their original hypothesis (Horner and Weishampel 1988).
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Exploring Jurassic Park's weirdest script draft
Mr. Robustus

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Exploring Jurassic Park's weirdest script draft    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Aug 27, 2018 1:36 pm
So, I've recently been reading some of the Jurassic Park's scripts, and one in particular caught my attention. It's the march 1992 draft, written by Malia Scotch Marmo (apparently there was also involvement by Crichton himself), that was after the first Michael Crichton draft and before the final David Koepp drafts. There's a lot of concept art for this draft floating around the internet. It's... kind of schlocky, to be honest. There's some really silly dialogue and it reads too much like a B-movie. But I found kind of fascinating to think that this could be the Jurassic Park movie that we got, and started writing down some of the things I found interesting. You can find it here, if you're interested.

Let me get the most interesting stuff out of the way first:

- The first time a dinosaur appears on the flesh is only fairly late into the script, on the jeep tour ride itself. No "Welcome to Jurassic Park" scene here. We are actually TOLD that the Park houses living dinosaurs and how they were made waaaay before we actually see one. There isn't even a hatchling waiting for them in the hatchery or anything.
- On a similar note, Hammond himself only appears in the Visitor Center during the tour ride. Gennaro is the one that picks Alan and Ellie on the dig site.
- Remember that exciting sequence from the novel where the T. rex chases Grant and the kids on their raft through the river? Spielberg has been quoted saying that early during pre-production that it was one of the first sequences he scrapped, because it would be too complicated to recreate. Well, that sequence is present on this draft, but there's a catch: there's no T. rex. Or any other dinosaur, for that matter. Instead, it's just a whole sequence of Grant and the kids looking for a raft on the maintenance shed, finding it, and descending the river while fighting... rapids.
- Nedry isn't stealing dinosaur embryos in this version... he's stealing dinosaur EGGS (he uses a portable incubator instead of a barbasol can). And what's more, he actually makes it to the boat and delivers them! The boat's captain is in on the whole theft, and is actually waiting personally for Nedry to arrive. And the visitors witness the whole smuggling business from afar. Remember that ticking clock subplot from the novel where the visitors need to get the phones working so they can stop the boat before it reaches the mainland? This is basically an adaptation from that, with the difference being that they are trying to stop a smuggling operation instead of stopping two juvenile Velociraptors from reaching the mainland.
- As they're leaving in the rescue chopper, Hammond outright refuses to go with them, ignoring Grant's protests. Instead, he stubbornly walks back into the jungle, and his parting words to Grant is that he'll "amount to nothing", and he'll "be a bone-brusher for the rest of his life".
- After that, the group has a final face-off with the T. rex as it tries to attack the helicopter. Until then, the T. rex was totally absent from the third act. The last time we saw it was after it took down a juvenile hadrosaur.
- Finally, the most interesting aspect: remember that sick Triceratops? They never do find out what's wrong with it in the movie we got, but we know from the comic adaptation, the novel and the final script that the reason it got sick was that, whenever it swallowed gizzard stones, it swallowed some poison berries accidentally. In this draft, the protagonists also come to this conclusion... at first, that is. Later that night, after the T. rex has broke out, Ellie goes to one of the laboratories to analyse a tissue sample from the Triceratops ("Freda", as she is called here) under the microscope, and we learn that the mysterious disease is also affecting the other animals. Grant even notices the same tiny bumps on the tongue of a hadrosaur when he's making his way back to the Visitor Center with the two kids. The answer to the mystery? Ellie finds out from looking at X-Rays of the Triceratops bones that all the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park aren't adults, but instead juveniles pumped with growth hormones. The reason for this (explained by Hammond himself) is that there's a problem with the cloning process that causes the cloned dinosaurs to die very young, and the Park is on a deadline, so "Wu uses growth hormones to achieve the desired size in a short amount of time". Hammond also reveals to Ellie that the main reason he invited her and Alan over is so that, once the tour survey was over, they could help him figure out how to solve that. Naturally, they don't. Everyone just leaves and the implication is that the dinosaurs will all die out.

Characters omissions:

- Probably the biggest character omission here: there's no Ian Malcolm on this draft. Instead, his roles are given to both Grant and Gennaro. Grant is the one constantly at odds and getting into moral discussions with Hammond, and they don't see eye-to-eye. On the other hand, Gennaro is the one accompanying Grant and Sattler on the tour vehicles, and he's the one that gets injured by the T. rex and that later spends the rest of the time high on morphine. This change actually kind of works, but the script ends up missing on a good comic relief (we're basically stuck with Nedry and Lex)
- Oddly enough, there is no Dodgson here (see what I did there it's like a pun). Instead, he's replaced by a character named Bill Baker... that serves pretty much the same purpose, to a point where I was asking myself why did they even change the name. Also, he meets with Nedry on his company's headquarters instead of San Jose.

Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom déjà vu's:

- Lex rides a baby Triceratops. This was later referenced in the lawsuit-waiting-to-happen Gentle Giants scene from Jurassic World.
- This draft constantly mentions a Dilophosaurus umbrella being sold on the gift shop. While it doesn't happen on this draft, there's a concept art showing Tim and Lex using that umbrella to fend off a Raptor (here). That might have influenced the scene in Jurassic World where Gray activates a Dilo hologram to distract Delta.
- After Ellie tries to reboot energy in the generator, she runs back to the fence surrounding Hammond's quarters with a Raptor hot in pursuit. Muldoon leaves the gate half-shut for Ellie, and she rolls through it. Muldoon shuts the gate just in time before the Raptor can get inside, and the Raptor gets stuck in the bars of the gate. The scene where Owen holds off Blue, Charlie and Delta and rolls through the closing gate before they can pounce on him is reminiscent of this.
- At one point, Ellie enter Hammond's quarters, and there's a large model of the park with plastic dinosaurs. She even briefly picks up the plastic T. rex like Maisie did in an unused scene.
- The T. rex reveal is mostly done by the storm's lightning. Four movies later, Bayona would use the same visual artifice for the T. rex reveal in Fallen Kingdom's prologue.
- There's also the raptor-type dinosaur being killed in the climax by the head of a dinosaur skeleton in a display.

Direct similarities with the novel that didn't carry over to the final script:

- Gennaro is young and athletic. Also, he plays a major role, like in the novel.
- Grant likes kids.
- Tim is older than Lex, and Lex likes baseball and is an insufferable brat.
- Nedry accompanies Grant, Sattler and Gennaro on the helicopter to the island.
- Grant and the kids are woken in the tree by a hadrosaur instead of a Brachiosaurus.
- The stampede scene involves a group of hadrosaurs, not Gallimimus (although the latter are still present here).
- Muldoon actually discovers Nedry's dead body.
- Lex makes friends with a baby Trike.
- Hammond is an asshole, and he dies (or at least it's implied) in the end.
- Both Harding and Wu stay on the island, and Wu is killed by one of the raptors.
- Muldoon survives. Yay!
- Ed Regis is here, accompanying Tim and Lex. Like in the novel, he abandons them during the T. rex breakout, and is later killed by the T. rex (only it's the adult instead of the juvenile).
- The Dilophosaurus is as big as the actual animal, like in the novel. As a bonus, they are already described as having the Chlamydosaurus-esque frill.
- Hammond mentions to Gennaro that they are gonna make a miniature pet Triceratops, like Dodgson hypothesized during the BioSyn boardroom meeting in the novel.
- Grant has his showdown with the Raptors on the hatchery here. The difference is that there's only one Raptor, instead of three. Booo.
- Lex makes friends with a juvenile Triceratops, and actually rides it, like she wanted to do in the novel.

Assorted musings:

- The opening scene is - like the first trailer - a microscopic view of a mosquito in amber being drilled for dinosaur DNA. After that, we cut to the dig site. There's no scene of a Velociraptor being unloaded into its pen.
- There's a whole scene in Gennaro's law office where he and his boss discuss his upcoming inspection of the park. It's... kind of redundant.
- Nedry is incredibly obnoxious in this. Like, much more than in the actual movie, almost like a Jar Jar Binks.
- The tour goes like this: Brachiosaurus > Gallimimus > Dilophosaurus > Triceratops > T. rex
- The "T. rex can only see movement" rule is kind of all over the place here. It's never brought up, other than Grant telling Gennaro and Tim "don't move" when the T. rex breaks out, and then when they see the T. rex attacking Ed Regis, Grant says this: "It's Regis and the Rex is after him.  But it's okay.  Regis knows the Rex can't see him.  Evidently, he can only see movement.  Regis'll be ok if he stays still".
- Ed Regis tries to appeal to the T. rex's good side. It was already silly in the novel, where he did that to a juvenile, but here he tries to do that to an adult T. rex. Also, Grant just kind of watches from a distance with the kids as Regis is comically killed off. He doesn't even try to intervene, or to shield the kids eyes.
- Apparently there are flamingos in the herbivore enclosure. John Hammond really was keen on destroying that leased island's ecosystem in every way possible.
- As aforementioned, there's a scene where Lex finds a baby Triceratops and rides it for a while like a horse. Maybe it's the cynical adult in me, but I'm glad this scene didn't make it into the final movie. The way it's described makes it sound way too whimsical and kid-friendly for my taste. On a different note, it got me wondering how the hell they expected to pull a scene like that off back in 1992.
- There's a recurring motif of mosquitoes buzzing around the characters at certain moments. After the visitors leave to resume their tour, a mosquito buzzes around the sick Triceratops before being smashed by its tail. A mosquito buzzes around Grant as he sleeps on the tree with the kids before being swatted away. Finally, on the second-to-last scene, a mosquito lands on the hand of a dying John Hammond. Poetic justice, I guess.
- Hammond has a sort of 'throne' in the Control Room from where he watches the tour ride. It sounds pretty stupid.
- Instead of an Alamosaurus, the display in the rotunda shows a Velociraptor skeleton fighting a T. rex. Strangely, this draft alludes this encounter numerous times without ever actually showing it in the flesh. There's the display in the rotunda, the climax in which Grant uses the T. rex bones to kill the final raptor, and during the early dig site scene, Ellie mentions that type of encounter (even though neither Velociraptor nor Deinonychus coexisted with T. rex). It's a wonder that it took so long for Spielberg to have the insight to include that fight in the actual movie.
- I'm not sure if Alan and Ellie are supposed to be an item in this. For the most part, it just seems like their relationship is purely platonic, but there's a part where they gaze into each other eyes for a while during the Brachiosaurus scene, and in the end, Grant puts his arm around her when they are escaping in the helicopter, and she pulls it closer.
- For some reason, there's a short scene of Muldoon and Ellie manually moving a fallen tree out of the road. That's it.
- Muldoon essentially leaves Wu for dead. Wu is running towards Hammond's quarters while being chased by a Raptor, and Muldoon closes the door on Wu's face so the Raptor won't get in. He and Ellie only hear Wu's screams from the other side. Jesus, that's really mean-spirited.
- At one point, Lex and Tim are cornered by a Raptor inside the Visitor Center's gift shop. There's a whole sequence where they defend themselves by throwing lots and lots of toys on it, and then make a run to the kitchen. It sounds really silly, almost home alone-esque.
- Muldoon is described as having a constant limp.
- Instead of a max-security fence, the raptors are enclosed in a pit whose opening is covered with wire mesh.
- There are five Raptors. There's no mention of a leader. Here's the death tally:
  Raptor #1: exploded by Muldoon's rocket launcher.
  Raptor #2: locked into freezer by Tim and Lex.
  Raptor #3: killed after eating poisoned egg.
  Raptor #4: gets electrocuted by the electrified bars of Hammond's quarters when Tim gets the power back on the Control Room.
  Raptor #5: squashed by the fallen head of the skeleton T. rex in the rotunda.
- As the main characters are getting aboard the rescue chopper, Hammond mentions they got a batch of Iguanodon eggs due to hatch on Tuesday when trying to convince them to stay. Too bad the park is already chapter 11.
- The final shot of the movie is the survivor's helicopter descending on the cargo ship that was trying to smuggle the dinosaur eggs. I'm not sure what that's supposed to imply, especially considering Grant already convinced it to turn around back to Nublar when he was with the kids on the Control Room.

Some descriptions I found funny:

- "It's A RAPTOR, lean and ferocious.  More like a cyborg than a hunter, it studies the kids from just outside the gift shop entrance. " what
- "The raptor stops gnawing, its ears perked up" what
- "The raptor licks its lips, lizard-like" what
- "The raptor is almost on the kids. Grant coughs conspicuously. The raptor whirls, studies Grant. He looks back at the children" I lost it reading this. Jesus, Grant, are you even trying?
- "The Rex paws after it, then drops down to four legs and gives the copter a final swipe with its tail". Did the writer forget the size of the T. rex's arms?

Some cheesy lines:

- "Extinct animals should stay extinct!" Gennaro, after panicking and running from the jeep. Maybe you should've waited until you're out of the T.rex earshot before screaming that.
- "You don't want to hurt Mr. Regis.  Go away.  Ed's your friend.  Back off!" Ed Regis, to a fully-grown T. rex.
- "Yo ho, I'll close this place down ..." Gennaro singing a shanty while high on morphine.
- "Oh good, 'cause I love the park!  It's more than we ever dreamed!  Those brachiosaurs are so big!  And those Spitters - (he spits) - incredible!  I only have one problem. Aren't we going to have pterodactyls? - (he frowns, smacks his forehead) - Oh, they'd fly away! (Gennaro looks off, watching the imaginary pterodactyls fly away.)" Gennaro to Hammond, while doped.
- "There's a raptor on the roof of this building.  Open that gate and you're a dead man" Ellie's succinct warning to Alan.
- "I just remembered something.  Raptors are born in large litters. There's probably more coming" Clutches, Tim. Clutches.
- "Hey you cretaceous dromaeosaur, you can't catch me.  Hey, come and get me, you flat-snouted Mongolian beast.  Hey!" Ellie's idea of an insult to a Velociraptor. And the Raptor actually gets distracted by that.
- "And then there were none" Grant's one-liner after the last Raptor is killed. Slow clap.
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Top 4 Natural Histories of Dinos
JD-man

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Search in: The Museum   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Top 4 Natural Histories of Dinos    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Aug 07, 2018 8:29 pm
This post is the sequel to "Natural Histories of Dinos" ( http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=5963.0 ). It's nothing formal, just a list of what I (as a non-expert dino fan) think are the best adult NHDs & why. Even still, I hope that at least some of you will get something out of it.

4/3) Tie btwn Fastovsky/Weishampel's Dinosaurs: A Concise Natural History/The Evolution and Extinction of the Dinosaurs & Sampson's Dinosaur Odyssey: Fossil Threads in the Web of Life: Despite their obvious differences (E.g. Fastovsky/Weishampel's book is a textbook w/a phylogenetic format, while Sampson's is a non-textbook w/a chronological format), these 2 books have 3 major similarities: 1) In both books, "the story builds in a stepwise fashion," "each chapter [building] upon the previous ones"; 2) "Part of [the goal in both books] is to explore the relationships of organisms to each other and to the biosphere"; 3) "It is [hoped] that science educators in particular will embrace some of the approaches presented" in both books. This is especially apparent when you compare the Introduction of Fastovsky/Weishampel's book ( http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/11729/excerpt/9780521811729_excerpt.pdf ) to the Preface of Sampson's ( http://www.scottsampson.net/index.php?page=dinosaur-odyssey ).

2) Gardom/Milner's The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs: To quote Hammond ( http://www.tehachapinews.com/lifestyle/pen-in-hand-wonder-bird-a-closer-look-at-a/article_d47df6a6-ba67-59b5-912d-3ec3620763d8.html ), the red-tailed hawk is "the archetypal bird of prey". Similarly, this book was the archetypal NHD from 1993-2016 (See "Synopsis": https://www.amazon.de/Natural-History-Museum-Book-Dinosaurs/dp/184442183X ). There are 2 main reasons for why I think that is: 1) To paraphrase Naish ( https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/naish-and-barretts-dinosaurs-how-they-lived-and-evolved/ ), this book is backed by "one of the world's greatest and most famous of natural history museums, and [based on] one of the world's most important scientific collections of dinosaur fossils"; This is especially apparent in "The Dino Directory" ("which serves as a nice supplement to [this] book": https://paleoaerie.org/2015/09/18/the-natural-history-museum-book-of-dinosaurs/ ); 2) This book has a day-in-the-life format (I.e. The 1st part introduces the dinos & their world; The 2nd part shows how the dinos lived & evolved in their world); This makes sense given that, according to Ernest Thompson Seton, day-in-the-life stories are the best way to write natural history (See "NOTE TO THE READER": http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=seton&book=wild&story=_front ). It's also worth mentioning that the newer editions are very much "enlarged and updated" compared to the older ones (E.g. 144 pages in 2006 vs. 128 pages in 1993).

1) Naish/Barrett's Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved: In 2016, 10 years after the last edition of Gardom/Milner's book, this book became the new archetypal NHD. This book does everything Gardom/Milner's book does, but mostly bigger & better ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R3VQ7TMT8EFOC7/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8 ). In fact, if I could, I'd give this book an extra star for being extra authoritative (I.e. An extra half star for the NHM & an extra half star for the Smithsonian). In other words, this is a 6-star book.

Honorable Mention #1) Norell's The World of Dinosaurs: An Illustrated Tour: While I do think that this book is 1 of the best adult NHDs, I'm not sure where it should be listed relative to the other books: On the 1 hand, like the NHM books, it's backed by "one of the world's greatest and most famous of natural history museums, and [based on] one of the world's most important scientific collections of dinosaur fossils"; Thus, all 3 books are among the most "lavishly illustrated, scientifically up-to-date" NHDs (See the back cover); On the other hand, like the textbook, it's phylogenetically-arranged (& thus, not as good as the day-in-the-life-style NHM books); That said, it does the phylogenetic format MUCH better than most other NHDs.*

*I.e. For 1, it doesn't profile just any dinos, but ~50 of the AMNH's most well-represented dinos; For another, not only are the dinos arranged in order of when their sub-groups evolved (E.g. "Theropoda" begins with Coelophysis, a primitive meat-eater, & ends with Gastornis, a modern-style bird), but each dino is put in perspective ecologically & with its relatives (E.g. See the highlighted paragraphs: https://books.google.com/books?id=A9-NDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA108&dq=%22the+specimen%22+%22velociraptor+has%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixoMDI-pDkAhUQs54KHQLUB8UQ6AEwAXoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=%22the%20specimen%22%20%22velociraptor%20has%22&f=false ); In other words, it puts the AMNH's dinos into an evolutionary & ecological context, making it feel both personal & broad at the same time.

Honorable Mention #2) Stout's The New Dinosaurs/The Dinosaurs: A Fantastic New View of a Lost Era: While not as recent as the other books, this book still deserves to be listed as 1 of the best adult NHDs. There are 4 main reasons for why I think that is: 1) It's the closest thing we have to a completely dinosaurian version of Seton's Wild Animals I Have Known (I.e. After the introductory chapters, it consists of a collection of short stories about the lives of dinos); 2) To paraphrase Robot Chicken ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTcVNuNX8yY ), Stout's comic book-style paleoart "ain't [100%] accurate, but it'll blow your [f***ing] mind"; 3) The 1981 edition greatly influenced the course of the Dino Renaissance, inspiring the likes of Michael Crichton, Walt Disney, & Jim Henson ( http://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/?p=3549 ), among others;* 4) The 2000 edition updated it for a new generation, combining classic day-in-the-life stories w/"32 added pages of new pictures and information" (& thus, putting said stories in the context of then-current dino science: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-new-dinosaurs_william-stout/470564/#isbn=0743407245&idiq=9201911 ).

*I especially like the Henson part b/c it reminds me of the knife scene in Crocodile Dundee.
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Favorite JW FK character thread! [POOL] [SPOILERS]
Spinosaur4.4

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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Favorite JW FK character thread! [POOL] [SPOILERS]    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jun 18, 2018 8:35 pm
@Sickle_Claw wrote:
@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
@Mr. Robustus wrote:
My vote was for Maisie. That little girl, Isabella Sermon, did a fantastic acting job, and she was definitely the heart of the movie. Easily the best child character in the franchise, and I'm glad the final scenes implied she will be returning for the next movie. Although I guess it wouldn't be above the Jurassic Park franchise to just write her out (Trevorrow: "Oh, they were just dropping her off at Iris's house. Now here's a new child character for this movie!")

I also really liked Mills. Sure, he was slightly cartoonish - especially with his murdering of Lockwood - but he was a very enjoyable villain, and kind of the perfect asshole victim that you can't wait to see his comeuppance. He's kind of how I imagined a proper movie version of Dodgson would be, personality-wise. If we never get a return from Dodgson, I will happily accept Mills as a stand-in for him.


Fully agree with you about Maisie. She's the best kid of JP franchise. They handled her very well. People know that I was the #1 HATER of kids in movies here and when they announced JW FK would have a kid I got super mad. I have to burn my mounth now because she was amazing. Maisie is clever, not annoying and USEFULL. All I wanted for a kid.

About Mills, loved him also (forgot to add him lmao). IMO he's the best villain of the franchise, I like how he's charismatic and flamboyant at first, and then starts showing his darker side (first screaming with Maisie, then with Wu, showing his real intentions to sell the dinosaurs...)


You also like Maisie because....


Spoiler:
 


Pssst Sickle, no way it's because of that too, I'm not biased. Laughing


Yeah, I confess I like her also because of that twist. Razz
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Favorite JW FK character thread! [POOL] [SPOILERS]
Sickle_Claw

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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Favorite JW FK character thread! [POOL] [SPOILERS]    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jun 18, 2018 3:10 am
@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
@Mr. Robustus wrote:
My vote was for Maisie. That little girl, Isabella Sermon, did a fantastic acting job, and she was definitely the heart of the movie. Easily the best child character in the franchise, and I'm glad the final scenes implied she will be returning for the next movie. Although I guess it wouldn't be above the Jurassic Park franchise to just write her out (Trevorrow: "Oh, they were just dropping her off at Iris's house. Now here's a new child character for this movie!")

I also really liked Mills. Sure, he was slightly cartoonish - especially with his murdering of Lockwood - but he was a very enjoyable villain, and kind of the perfect asshole victim that you can't wait to see his comeuppance. He's kind of how I imagined a proper movie version of Dodgson would be, personality-wise. If we never get a return from Dodgson, I will happily accept Mills as a stand-in for him.


Fully agree with you about Maisie. She's the best kid of JP franchise. They handled her very well. People know that I was the #1 HATER of kids in movies here and when they announced JW FK would have a kid I got super mad. I have to burn my mounth now because she was amazing. Maisie is clever, not annoying and USEFULL. All I wanted for a kid.

About Mills, loved him also (forgot to add him lmao). IMO he's the best villain of the franchise, I like how he's charismatic and flamboyant at first, and then starts showing his darker side (first screaming with Maisie, then with Wu, showing his real intentions to sell the dinosaurs...)


You also like Maisie because....


Spoiler:
 
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Favorite JW FK character thread! [POOL] [SPOILERS]
Spinosaur4.4

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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Favorite JW FK character thread! [POOL] [SPOILERS]    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSun Jun 17, 2018 10:34 pm
@Mr. Robustus wrote:
My vote was for Maisie. That little girl, Isabella Sermon, did a fantastic acting job, and she was definitely the heart of the movie. Easily the best child character in the franchise, and I'm glad the final scenes implied she will be returning for the next movie. Although I guess it wouldn't be above the Jurassic Park franchise to just write her out (Trevorrow: "Oh, they were just dropping her off at Iris's house. Now here's a new child character for this movie!")

I also really liked Mills. Sure, he was slightly cartoonish - especially with his murdering of Lockwood - but he was a very enjoyable villain, and kind of the perfect asshole victim that you can't wait to see his comeuppance. He's kind of how I imagined a proper movie version of Dodgson would be, personality-wise. If we never get a return from Dodgson, I will happily accept Mills as a stand-in for him.


Fully agree with you about Maisie. She's the best kid of JP franchise. They handled her very well. People know that I was the #1 HATER of kids in movies here and when they announced JW FK would have a kid I got super mad. I have to burn my mounth now because she was amazing. Maisie is clever, not annoying and USEFULL. All I wanted for a kid.

About Mills, loved him also (forgot to add him lmao). IMO he's the best villain of the franchise, I like how he's charismatic and flamboyant at first, and then starts showing his darker side (first screaming with Maisie, then with Wu, showing his real intentions to sell the dinosaurs...)
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Jurassic Park Franchise Prehistoric Fauna Masterpost
1morey

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Jurassic Park Franchise Prehistoric Fauna Masterpost    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jun 04, 2018 2:41 am
After many hours of research. I have compiled a master list of every prehistoric fauna to appear across the Jurassic Park franchise (films, books, comics, toys, video games, and as artwork or part of the dinopedia/glossary on the JP institute website).

What I did not include in the list were unidentifiable animals from the comics, cancelled toyline figures/video games, or animals that are only mentioned but do not show up on a population count/list or make any sort of physical appearance. Current nomina dubia that haven't been reclassified are placed in a separate section.

Parentheses indicate the following:

* Junior synonyms.

* Specific appearances for the Unspecified Ammonite genera.

* Extant status for Homo sapiens and Mesonychoteuthis hamiltoni.

* Descriptors indicating that Andrewsarchus, Eucnemesaurus, Pisanosaurus, and Unaysaurus are incorrectly depicted.

So here is the list:

Alphabetized list:
 


Animals by Most Recent Appearance:
 
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Jurassic World II Box office expectations
Nublar7

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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Jurassic World II Box office expectations    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeFri Mar 23, 2018 2:22 pm
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
Funny you mention the Avengers movies. I think we have to keep the possibility of Infinity War going on a rampage like Black Panther has been doing and how it might affect Fallen Kingdom.
Infinity War very well could go on a rampage like Black Panther because it is perhaps the biggest single event movie in years. Honestly when the year is all said and done, it is probably likely the Black Panther and Infinity War are #1 and #2 in some form. Unless we see another run like Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom will probably be finishing in the #3 spot, which is still amazing since #1 and #2 are likely to each gross $650 million+ domestically.

Anyways, with all that said, I don't see Infinity War having much of an impact on Fallen Kingdom directly. There is just too much of a gap between films and that gap only got bigger when they moved Infinity War up a week. When Fallen Kingdom hits theaters(in the US) that would be Infinity War's 9th weekend. It will be a spec on the radar by mid/end of June. For example Black Panther made $26 million last weekend and that was only week 5 for that film. By the time Black Panther hits weekend 9 it is probably only making $3-4 million. Even big event films like TFA($6 million) and JW($1.9 million) were no threat to anyone 9 weeks later.

I would say the worry wildcard is maybe Solo. I don't think that movie is going to do amazing because there seems to be minimal hype and anticipation even from most Star Wars fans. But because it is Star Wars I am sure it will still make a lot of money, just no where near the levels of TFA, Rogue One and TLJ. But even then, that's the 5th weekend for that film when FK comes out.

Deadpool 2 is 6 weeks before, so again shouldn't be much concern by June 22nd. Really I think the only major threat to put a dent in it is Incredibles 2. Its a different target audience than FK, but there is only so much money to go around that weekend and that movie imo will open huge the weekend before. But if Incredibles 2 maybe only makes like $90-100 million its opening weekend, then I think it could be possible that the potential for a $190-200 million weekend for FK could be on the table.

But I think $180 million is probably a more safer and realistic prediction. At least as of right now.

Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: The Marvel Comics Thread
Rhedosaurus

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Search in: General Film Discussion   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: The Marvel Comics Thread    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 7:56 am
Black Panther has not only made over $1 billion dollars, but has become the first MCU movie to stay at #1 at the box office for 4 weeks in a row. Not even the first 2 Avengers movie have done that.

This movie has destroyed record after record as if they were nothing. Not only that, but I saw that if it stays number 1 for this weekend, it will be the first movie to do so since Avatar.

And the MCU continues its domination.
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!
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Search in: Dinosaur Jungles   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Mar 06, 2018 9:54 pm
My 44th review for this thread is a negative 1 for Miller/Blasing's Dinosaur George and the Paleonauts: Raptor Island. If you haven't already, I'd greatly appreciate you reading & voting "Yes" for said review in the bolded link below. Besides wanting to make sure said review gives a good idea of what to expect, it needs all the "Yes" votes it can get because it's outnumbered by opposing reviews (which don't give a good idea of what to expect). Many thanks in advance.

Bad dino doc + bad dino movie ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R1ANUT6L08H5CM/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv ): 1/5

Short version: As far as I know, most dino time travel books aren't meant to be educational. Of those that are, I recommend reading White's Dinosaur Hunter: The Ultimate Guide to the Biggest Game in conjunction with other, more educational books (E.g. Naish/Barrett's Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved). Miller/Blasing's Dinosaur George and the Paleonauts: Raptor Island (henceforth DG) fails at being either a decent educational book or a decent science fiction book.

Long version: Read on.

As you may remember, I said that Jurassic Fight Club is 1 of the worst dino docs ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R2FFY9S77ANRTK/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0810957981 ). Despite this, I originally thought that DG was going to be better than JFC given that dino books are usually better than dino docs. Boy, was I wrong about DG! Not only is DG as bad as JFC in some ways, but also as bad as the movie The Lost World: Jurassic Park (henceforth JP2) in other ways. In this review, I list the 4 main reasons why I think that is, besides the annoyingly-repetitive writing.*

1) In DG, George is the only well-defined/developed character, & not in a good way: He's basically an 18-year-old male version of Sarah Harding from JP2 (I.e. A "naive, impulsive paleontologist...whose dumb decisions constantly put the team in greater danger");** This is especially apparent when he 1st compares the Saichania's poor eyesight to that of rhinos, but then makes a sudden move; Similarly, in JP2, Sarah 1st explains "the dangers of the bull rex tracking the group with its powerful olfactory sense, but [then] brings the jacket coated in the infant's blood with her as they flee."** The other Paleonauts are just character archetypes. More specifically, Vince Witmer is "The Lancer", Lloyd Lance is "The Big Guy", Parker Holtz is "The Smart Guy", & Sonya Currie is "The Chick".** There's also Professor Stone & Dr. Morgan, but they're only in Chapter 1.

2) In some ways, DG's dromaeosaurs are better than JFC's (E.g. They're more fully feathered, though not entirely). In other ways, DG's dromaeosaurs are worse than JFC's (E.g. They have whip-like tails). In still other ways, they're about the same (E.g. They're "super persistent" predators of "impossibly large prey").** This is especially apparent in Chapter 8, when a pack of 30 flightless, blue jay-sized "mini-raptors" attack George over & over again despite being blasted with a surge gun & attacked by a 20-ft constrictor, among other things. Put another way, Chapter 8 is basically an extreme version of JP2's "Compy Attack" scene.

3) I have 2 major problems with DG's story: 1) It's dependent on the reader caring about the characters; See reason #1 above for why that's a major problem; 2) As indicated by its sub-title, DG mostly takes place on/around Raptor Island in Southern Asia, presumably the Gobi region given that that's where all the dinos are from; The problem is that's near the center of the continent, & it's not like Asia ever had an inland sea like the Western Interior Sea of North America; In other words, DG's story is dependent on a setting that could never have existed.

4) DG's text is hit-&-miss in terms of getting the facts straight. This is especially apparent in "PaleoFacts" because the misses stick out more with less text.*** However, the main text misses may be worse in degree: Like JFC's misses, some of DG's are due to being very outdated (E.g. Compare the Miller/Blasing quote to the Naish/Barrett quote; It's also worth mentioning that Sauropoda is a suborder or infraorder, not a family); Also like JFC's misses, some of DG's are due to being very nonsensical (E.g. "A creature, about the size of an owl, suddenly swooped down from its perch above and grabbed the lizard in midair. At first, George thought it must have been some sort of bird, but when it landed on the ground it quickly ran into the woods on only its back legs. It was no bird. It was a flying dinosaur!").

*E.g. The fact that George dislikes guns is stated 4 times in the span of 1 chapter, including twice in the same paragraph.

**Google "The Lost World: Jurassic Park (Film) - TV Tropes" & "Raptor Attack - TV Tropes" for reasons #1 & #2, respectively.

***In "PaleoFacts" alone, it's claimed that Nemegtosaurus was 7 m tall & 15.2 m long (More like 2.46 m tall & 12 m long), Saichania was 2.4 m tall (More like 1.3 m tall), Plesiosaurus was 7 m long & 3 tons (More like 3-5 m long & 150 kg), Plesiosaurus lived during the Late Cretaceous (It didn't), Bactrosaurus means "Bactrian lizard" (It doesn't), & Tylosaurus was 20 tons (More like 4.5 tons), among other things.

Quoting Miller/Blasing:
Quote :
George knew this species. His uncle taught him a lot growing up. Because of that, he knew by the end of the Jurassic Period nearly all members of the Sauropod family had become extinct. A few species managed to survive all the way to the end of the late Cretaceous Period when they, along with all other non-avian dinosaurs, became extinct. The majority of the long necks that survived into late Cretaceous were from the Titanosaurus family. Although not as large as their earlier cousins, they were still massive dinosaurs and among the largest living things on earth by the end of the Cretaceous Period.


Quoting Naish/Barrett (See Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved):
Quote :
As recently as the 1990s it was thought that sauropods were a mostly Jurassic event and that they had largely disappeared by the Cretaceous. We now know that this view was completely inaccurate, and that sauropods were a major presence on many continents throughout much of the Cretaceous. And, rather than being stagnant or static in evolutionary terms, they were constantly evolving new anatomical features and new ways of cropping plants.
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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Dilophosaurus in Fallen Kingdom    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeWed Feb 28, 2018 12:53 pm
@The Malone Society wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
Dilophosaurus is my favorite Dino.

It’s extremely unlikely we see one in this film imo. And if we do it will be probably be in the background when some dinosaurs escape. I don’t feel that’s really good enough though, I think it needs it’s own scene that really plays up the horror aspect.

I think Universal just doesn’t have any intention or interest in directly showing the animal for some bizarre reason. To be completely honest I’m not sure Universal believes it to be extremely iconic like the Rex and raptors.


In TLW it’s a picture, in JW it’s a hologram.

Mild Spoilers for the new film.
Spoiler:
 


Hopefully Universal is teasing us throughout these movies and we’ll seen one in the swamp, in the wild in the third. I’m kinda expecting to never see it again though.


Really? Damn! Well, thanks for pointing that out now, saving me the disappointment when I actually see the movie, like when a stupid LEGO set fooled me into thinking Dilophosaurus was going to be in Jurassic World... I'll never forgive that betrayal.

Still, it's a real shame. I mean, in the expanded universe Dilophosaurs are everywhere, a common sight in video games. It's frustrating that in the films they only have one significant scene...

And if we don't see any Dilophosaurs in Fallen Kingdom, we might never see them in the franchise again, since it means they won't be rescued from extinction and the population on Isla Nublar could potentially be permanently wiped out by the eruption that threatens the dinosaurs. I hope that's not the case, because Dilophosaurs are the #1 thing I want from these movies. Stop f**king around and bring back the spitters!

If the Dilophosaurs are in Fallen Kingdom, here's what I would want from them...

1. A scene reintroducing them by having a pack of adults attack the heroes and get tranquilized, ensuring that they're saved from extinction. The first Dilophosaur we see is the same size as the one from the first movie, until it is revealed that it is a juvenile and the full-sized ones show up...
2. It would be nice to see some Dilophosaurs among the stampeding dinosaurs during the eruption scene, desperately trying to escape the wave of death behind them.
3. I imagine that during the climax a bunch of the rescued dinosaurs are going to break free and run amok. If Dilophosaurs are among the rescued, they could join in on the chaos and maybe even actually kill somebody, like a guard or a mercenary.

It would also be cool to see a pack of Dilophosaurs battle another dinosaur, but I'm not holding my breath since it's very unlikely that would happen. I still want to see them make their comeback, but I'm not going to get myself too hyped over it since they're probably going to be like in the tour from the first movie... a no-show.

As Alan Grant said in that scene, "Damn!"


Yeah man I totally agree with you. And who knows, I’m not telling you to rule out the possibility completely. But I’ve been burned far too many times to keep my head too high. And that thing I put in the spoiler tag really broke me. Let’s pray that the JP gods smile upon us Smile

I’d like to private message you on the matter for a few more details if that’s okay.
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@Troyal1 wrote:
Dilophosaurus is my favorite Dino.

It’s extremely unlikely we see one in this film imo. And if we do it will be probably be in the background when some dinosaurs escape. I don’t feel that’s really good enough though, I think it needs it’s own scene that really plays up the horror aspect.

I think Universal just doesn’t have any intention or interest in directly showing the animal for some bizarre reason. To be completely honest I’m not sure Universal believes it to be extremely iconic like the Rex and raptors.


In TLW it’s a picture, in JW it’s a hologram.

Mild Spoilers for the new film.
Spoiler:
 


Hopefully Universal is teasing us throughout these movies and we’ll seen one in the swamp, in the wild in the third. I’m kinda expecting to never see it again though.


Really? Damn! Well, thanks for pointing that out now, saving me the disappointment when I actually see the movie, like when a stupid LEGO set fooled me into thinking Dilophosaurus was going to be in Jurassic World... I'll never forgive that betrayal.

Still, it's a real shame. I mean, in the expanded universe Dilophosaurs are everywhere, a common sight in video games. It's frustrating that in the films they only have one significant scene...

And if we don't see any Dilophosaurs in Fallen Kingdom, we might never see them in the franchise again, since it means they won't be rescued from extinction and the population on Isla Nublar could potentially be permanently wiped out by the eruption that threatens the dinosaurs. I hope that's not the case, because Dilophosaurs are the #1 thing I want from these movies. Stop f**king around and bring back the spitters!

If the Dilophosaurs are in Fallen Kingdom, here's what I would want from them...

1. A scene reintroducing them by having a pack of adults attack the heroes and get tranquilized, ensuring that they're saved from extinction. The first Dilophosaur we see is the same size as the one from the first movie, until it is revealed that it is a juvenile and the full-sized ones show up...
2. It would be nice to see some Dilophosaurs among the stampeding dinosaurs during the eruption scene, desperately trying to escape the wave of death behind them.
3. I imagine that during the climax a bunch of the rescued dinosaurs are going to break free and run amok. If Dilophosaurs are among the rescued, they could join in on the chaos and maybe even actually kill somebody, like a guard or a mercenary.

It would also be cool to see a pack of Dilophosaurs battle another dinosaur, but I'm not holding my breath since it's very unlikely that would happen. I still want to see them make their comeback, but I'm not going to get myself too hyped over it since they're probably going to be like in the tour from the first movie... a no-show.

As Alan Grant said in that scene, "Damn!"
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!
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Search in: Dinosaur Jungles   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Feb 27, 2018 3:16 am
My 43rd review for this thread is a positive 1 for Cooley/Wilson's Make-a-saurus: My Life with Raptors and Other Dinosaurs. If you haven't already, I'd greatly appreciate you reading & voting "Yes" for said review in the bolded link below. Besides wanting to make sure said review gives a good idea of what to expect, it needs all the "Yes" votes it can get because it's for a great book that deserves more attention. Many thanks in advance.

How to REALLY build a dino ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R3PD2BYTU5ANKB/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv ): 5/5

Short version: Cooley/Wilson's Make-a-saurus: My Life with Raptors and Other Dinosaurs (henceforth Life) may be the best children's dino book when it comes to showing kids how to build a dino. I recommend reading Life in conjunction with other, more recent books (E.g. Naish/Barrett's Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved in general & Chapter 3 in particular).

Long version: Read on.

This review's title is a reference to Horner/Gorman's How to Build a Dinosaur: Extinction Doesn't Have to Be Forever (which, to paraphrase Kosemen, should've been called "[How to build a] sort of dinosaur look-alike retarded monstrosity").* Point is, to quote Willoughby ( https://emilywilloughby.com/about ), "paleontology is unique in that there is no equivalent method of using film to capture the reality of its natural subjects...we must paint, sculpt and draw to bring these animals to life." Life may be the best children's dino book when it comes to showing kids how to do that. In this review, I list the 3 main reasons why I think that is.

1) As you may remember, Life was 1 of the books that got me into feathered dinos, along with Sloan's Feathered Dinosaurs. Cooley's life-like models of feathered dinos are 1 of the main reasons why that is (See reason #1: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1UO9MSFJ9W37N/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0792272196&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books ).

2) Life provides a lot of background info. This is especially apparent in the introductory section: 1st, Currie explains why art is important to his science (See the Currie quote); Then, Cooley explains why science is important to his art (See the Cooley quote); Last, "The World of Sinornithosaurus" tells a day-in-the-life story of the Sinornithosaurus specimen Cooley's model is based on; More specifically, it tells a story of how said specimen lived, died, & became fossilized.

3) Similarly to Gardom/Milner's The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs, Life uses a "popular approach [that] not only accurately mirrors the methods used by [paleoartists in creating] dinosaurs, but also satisfies the overwhelming curiosity of people to know what dinosaurs were like when alive" ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/Natural-History-Museum-Book-Dinosaurs/dp/184442183X ). This is especially apparent in the main sections: 1st, Cooley explains the paleoartistic process without dumbing down; Then, Cooley shows readers how they can adapt said process using tools & materials around their house (E.g. Instead of beginning "with a welded steel armature," they can make an armature using "rolled-up newspaper, wire, foam and tape, even balloons"); Last, Cooley shows readers how they can go 1 step beyond & create dino environments (I.e. Dioramas, which are the best dino exhibits).

If I could, I'd give Life a 4.5/5. My only gripes are a few weird bits in the text (E.g. Dino scales, which are non-overlapping, are compared to lizard scales, which are mostly overlapping) & writing (E.g. Liaoning is misspelled as Laioning). However, for the purposes of this review, I'll round up to 5/5.

*Google "Is it Possible to Re-Create a Dinosaur from a Chicken?"

Quoting Currie:
Quote :
Even with all my training and experience, I still learn a lot when Brian asks me how the bones of a skeleton actually go together. Often we end up pulling bones out of the Museum's collections so we can consider how they fit together and how the muscles were attached. Most people can learn more by building models than by just looking at museum displays and books.


Quoting Cooley:
Quote :
Life takes us in marvelous directions and, as luck would have it, the first job I found upon graduating from art school was sculpting a volcano for the Calgary Zoo's new Prehistoric Park. That led to making a dinosaur for a company in Vancouver. My wife, artist Mary Ann Wilson, worked on that dinosaur with me, and since then we have completed many dinosaurs together. While doing research for that project, Mary Ann and I met Dr. Philip J. Currie, who was soon to become one of the world's most prominent paleontologists. It was Dr. Currie whose enthusiasm and riveting stories about new discoveries and theories rekindled my passion for dinosaurs. Twenty years since that meeting, I'm still making dinosaurs
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deinocoop

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Shocked

I know I sound crazy letting this out of my mouth: Afte reading this article which should probably be reported for criticizing a film that hasn't been released yet,

Why 'Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom' Looks Like A Terrible Idea

and seeing this video get posted on the internet...


I've got to ask this: who among these members feels the imposing threat that Jurassic World poses a threat to Jurassic Park? Granted, JW:FK isn't out until June, but apparently JW haters still do just about anything to get their emotionless monsters on a horror island back where they can milk it dry. In fact, these haters even go so far as to say "Jurassic Park should have been the only movie of it's kind, but oh no, Universal just had to make cliche sequels."

I can sort of see why after seeing the following provisos.

Rule #1: no tamed raptors. Apparently, haters want the JP raptors to stay monsters, despite the fact that if we can tame birds of prey, then these raptors are the stretch goal.

Rule #2: no guardians of the galaxy references, and their "super" Chris Pratt celebrity. I see where the haters are going here, since Owen Grady somehow outran a slow pyroclastic cloud (55 mph, but what do you expect out of a 2010's Hollywood cult?

Rule #3: no super hybrids. Apparently, haters hate the hybrids that are the mascots of Colin Trevorrow's take on the park, despite the fact that Dr. Wu's been hybridizing from the start, not to mention how regular dinosaurs get old pretty fast. Plus, don't forget how the Indoraptor has Jay Bayona fingerprints on it.

I'm just saying, haters who hate what the creators of FK are doing with JP5 shouldn't be making videos and/or posting articles about it, especially if they haven't seen the full movie it, and took notes of human kind's bad habits with modern animals.

Then again, that's just me. What do you guys think?
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!
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My 42nd review for this thread is a negative 1 for Hort's Did Dinosaurs Eat Pizza?: Mysteries Science Hasn't Solved. If you haven't already, I'd greatly appreciate you reading & voting "Yes" for said review in the bolded link below. Besides wanting to make sure said review gives a good idea of what to expect, it needs all the "Yes" votes it can get because it's outnumbered by opposing reviews (which don't give a good idea of what to expect). Many thanks in advance.

Where's the substance? ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R2D7VXPQ8H787T/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv ): 2/5

If you want a substantial children's dino book about what we do & don't know, get Kudlinski's Boy, Were We Wrong About Dinosaurs! (henceforth Boy) & read it in conjunction with other, more recent books (E.g. Holtz's Dinosaurs). It helps that Kudlinkski & Schindler are 1) very well-read, as indicated by the bibliography, & 2) collaborators with experts (I.e. Brinkman, Butler, & Norell). I can't say the same about Hort & O'Brien. As far as I know, Hort's Did Dinosaurs Eat Pizza?: Mysteries Science Hasn't Solved (henceforth Pizza) has neither a bibliography nor any expert collaboration & it shows in the lack of substance. In this review, I list the 3 main indications of that lack of substance.

1) Unlike Boy (which has a roughly chronological format, beginning with the discovery of Iguanodon & ending with the discovery of the Chinese feathered dinos), Pizza consists of a bunch of so-called "Mysteries Science Hasn't Solved" scattered all over with no apparent rhyme or reason. Each mystery is illustrated with dinos doing things we know they didn't do, so maybe Pizza's title was supposed to tie all the mysteries together. However, since Pizza's content has nothing to do with eating pizza, it's just a confusing mess.

2) Unlike Boy (which is illustrated with mostly-good cartoon dinos & page-by-page comparisons of what people used to think vs. what we think now), Pizza is illustrated with mostly-bad cartoon dinos (E.g. O'Brien's T.rex is basically a cartoon version of Solonevich's Antrodemus: https://chasmosaurs.blogspot.com/2013/08/vintage-dinosaur-art-dinosaurs-and-more.html ). Not only are the dinos themselves bad, but they make a lot of the text misleading: It's claimed that "different scientists can disagree by as much as [20 or 30] tons in estimating weights"; While this is technically true when it comes to sauropods, it's illustrated with a Styracosaurus (which weighed between 1 & 4 tons) outweighing an entire family farm.

3) Unlike Boy (which has mostly-accurate text that uses multiple lines of evidence to show why we think what we think), Pizza has a lot of misleading or wrong text, partly because of the aforementioned illustrations, & partly because it refers to many non-mysteries as mysteries (hence the "so-called" in indication #1 above). This is especially apparent in the text about T.rex & birds (E.g. See the Hort quotes, which fail on many levels).*

*They fail to get the facts straight (E.g. Giganotosaurus & Spinosaurus were larger; To quote Hendrickson, "I feel very sure, as do 99 percent of all dinosaur paleontologists, that T. rex was a predator"); They fail to understand how ecology works (Quoting GSPaul: "The idea that animals as big as most theropods were true scavengers is ecologically unfeasible"); They fail to understand how evolution works (If "birds evolved from dinosaurs," then they ARE "considered dinosaurs"); They fail to understand that, "scientifically, traditions are an idiot thing" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7HmltUWXgs ); They fail to understand that, traditionally, "the word dinosaur" refers to non-bird dinos, not "extinct dinosaur species of the Mesozoic Era" (which include many bird species).

Quoting Hort:
Quote :
Tyrannosaurus rex may have been the largest meat eater ever. But the jury is still out on whether T. rex mostly hunted for its food or mostly scavenged to find dinner that was already dead.


Quoting Hort:
Quote :
Most scientists now agree that birds evolved from dinosaurs, and a convincing case can be made that, as long as birds survive, dinosaurs aren't really extinct. Since there is still some disagreement on whether birds should be considered dinosaurs, I have followed tradition in using the word dinosaur to refer only to extinct dinosaur species of the Mesozoic Era.
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JD-man

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My 40th review for this thread is a negative 1 for Green's The Dinosaur Museum: An Unforgettable, Interactive Virtual Tour Through Dinosaur History. If you haven't already, I'd greatly appreciate you reading & voting "Yes" for said review in the bolded link below. Besides wanting to make sure said review gives a good idea of what to expect, it needs all the "Yes" votes it can get because it's outnumbered by opposing reviews (which don't give a good idea of what to expect). Many thanks in advance.

The worst dino museum in book form ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R1EIPWIOLMYAWT/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv ): 1/5

Short version: If you want the best dino museum book for older kids, get Abramson et al.'s Inside Dinosaurs. If you want the best dino museum books for younger kids, get Aliki's dino books & read them in conjunction with other, more recent books (E.g. Holtz's Dinosaurs).* Green's The Dinosaur Museum: An Unforgettable, Interactive Virtual Tour Through Dinosaur History (henceforth Museum #2) may be the worst children's dino museum book I've ever read.

Long version: Read on.

TripAdvisor Reviewers say that The Dinosaur Museum in Dorchester (henceforth Museum #1) is "the worst dinosaur museum", & based on their reviews & photos, I'm inclined to agree ( https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186263-d268146-r137214416-The_Dinosaur_Museum-Dorchester_Dorset_England.html ). In this review, I list the 4 main reasons why Museum #2 is similarly bad or worse while using "The Meat-Eaters" as the main example (See the back cover).

1) Like Museum #1, Museum #2 is lacking in real fossils & full of bad reconstructions: In reference to fossils, each chapter has 1 or 2 at most & only some of them are real (E.g. "The Meat-Eaters" has a replica Velociraptor claw & a real T.rex tooth); In reference to reconstructions, each chapter has at least 3 or 4 & they're shameless rip-offs of more famous reconstructions (E.g. The Iguanodon on the front cover is a shameless rip-off of the "Walking With Dinosaurs" Iguanodon), just plain outdated/abominable (E.g. The T.rex has pronated hands; Both of the Giganotosaurus are unrecognizable as such), or some combination of both (E.g. The Velociraptor is a shameless rip-off of the "Jurassic Park" Velociraptor with pronated hands & feathers that look more like yellow grass).

2) Like Museum #1's text, Museum #2's is hit-&-miss in terms of getting the facts straight. In "The Meat-Eaters", it's claimed that Velociraptor "charged after prey at up to 40 miles...per hour" (More like 24 mph), T.rex's "tiny front limbs may have helped it to stand up after lying down" (They didn't), "T.rex teeth had serrated...edges that could cut through flesh like steak knives" (They couldn't), & Giganotosaurus was 3 m high (More like 4 m high).

3) Like Museum #1's writing, Museum #2's is annoyingly vague. In fact, Museum #2's is even worse in that it's also annoyingly hyperbolic (E.g. See the Green quote for both vagueness & hyperbole) & repetitive (E.g. The word "terrify" is used 3 times in "The Meat-Eaters" alone).

4) Like Museum #1, Museum #2 is poorly-organized. Not only are the dino chapters scattered all over with no apparent rhyme or reason, but so are the dinos within each chapter. This is especially apparent in "The Meat-Eaters" (which features Velociraptor, Giganotosaurus, & T.rex) & "Small but Deadly" (which features Oviraptor, Troodon, Deinonychus, Coelophysis, & Compsognathus). Not only are the theropod chapters separated by ornithischian & sauropod chapters, but the theropods within each chapter are almost completely random. In other words, nothing in Museum #2 makes any chronological/phylogenetic/ecological/etc sense.**

*In reference to "Aliki's dino books", google "paleoaerie.org/tag/aliki/".

**In reference to "chronological/phylogenetic/ecological/etc sense", google "DINOSOURS! on tumblr. - Framing Fossil Exhibits - Framing".

Quoting Green:
Quote :
Giganotosaurus
Monster-size Giganotosaurus was probably even larger than T.rex. Its enormous jaws opened more than wide-enough to swallow you! Most likely it lunged at victims and took great bites of flesh with its sharp teeth. One twist of its sturdy neck could have ripped its victim limb from limb.
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Rhedosaurus

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@Sickle_Claw wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
The Flatliners reboot bombed and Lego Ninjago has underperformed.

Meanwhile, Kingsman: The Golden Circle is still #1 at the box office with the It! remake at a very close 2nd.


I actually liked Kingsman, thought it was very entertaining, and worked well for being a popcorn movie.


Maybe it's just me, but I feel that this is a stronger start for fall/autumn movies then it has been in recent years.
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Sickle_Claw

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@Rhedosaurus wrote:
The Flatliners reboot bombed and Lego Ninjago has underperformed.

Meanwhile, Kingsman: The Golden Circle is still #1 at the box office with the It! remake at a very close 2nd.


I actually liked Kingsman, thought it was very entertaining, and worked well for being a popcorn movie.
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JD-man

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When I think of what natural history means, I think of the Geils/Vogler quote below. A Natural History of Dinos (henceforth NHD) is the best kind of non-encyclopedic dino book. There are 2 main reasons for why I think that is: 1) It's "designed to be read from start to finish as the developing story of a remarkable group of animals...[in a] direct, clear written style" ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Natural-History-Museum-Book-Dinosaurs/dp/184442183X ); See Joseph's "For Love of Stories" ( https://artsci.washington.edu/news/2019-06/love-stories ) for why it's important that popular dino books are designed that way; 2) It puts dinos into an evolutionary & ecological context; See "Item Mentality and Dinosaurs in Popular Science" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpJjOwKh6RY ) & "Alternatives to the Item Mentality in Dinosaur Books and Art" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAXXUCjYHs ) for why it's important that popular dino books do that. Yes, I have a Bachelor of Science in "Natural History and Interpretation" ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/Finally-my-1st-journal-entry-327744587 ) & thus am very biased. That said, NHD books are mostly very good to great & I wanna know about all of them, hence this post. All the NHD books I know about are listed below. If there are any books you think should be listed, please let me know. Many thanks in advance. 2 more things of note: 1) No children's WWD books, only adult WWD books; 2) When trying to identify NHD books, look for a combination of the following or similar phrases:
-"a [adjective] look at"
-"a safari through time"
-"a trip to the Mesozoic"
-"as living animals"
-"day(s) of the dinosaur(s)"
-"dinosaur history"
-"evolution and ecology"
-"how they lived"
-"in a [adjective] context"
-"in the context of"
-"places them in"
-"the dinosaur story"
-"their evolution and extinction"
-"their history"
-"their natural habitat"
-"their natural environment"
-"their rise and fall"
-"their story"
-"their world"
-"time and space"
-"who they were"

Quoting Geils/Vogler (See "A Natural History Perspective": https://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs/rmrs_p063/rmrs_p063_210_217.pdf ):
Quote :
The term history in natural history derives from the Greek for inquiry or knowing. A natural history is a description of one kind of organism in its natural environment. It is a narrative on the development, behavior, relationships, evolution, and significance of a subject organism. We are inspired by Charles Darwin and E. O. Wilson. Their work demonstrates that natural history is not just for charismatic species, but also for ‘lowly’ barnacles and ants. Natural history unites biology and philosophy. What we perceive depends on how we observe and integrate that observation into an operational model of reality (see Hawking and Mlodinow 2010). What we perceive determines what we accept as true, beautiful, and right—therefore, what motivates our action.


Matthew's Dinosaurs: With Special Reference to the American Museum Collections ( https://archive.org/details/dinosaurswithspe00mattiala )

Colbert's The Dinosaur Book: The Ruling Reptiles and Their Relatives ( https://archive.org/details/dinosauruli13colb )

Geis' How and Why Wonder Book of Dinosaurs (See the Introduction: https://www.scribd.com/document/238848191/How-and-Why-Wonder-Book-5001-Dinosaurs )

Watson's Dinosaurs and Other Prehistoric Reptiles ( https://paleoaerie.org/2013/11/26/its-big-its-golden-and-its-dinosaurs/ )

Ostrom's The Strange World of Dinosaurs (See page 4 of the preview: https://archive.org/details/strangeworldofdi00ostr )

de Camp/de Camp's The Day of the Dinosaur ("Natural History: General": https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Day-of-the-Dinosaur-by-De-Camp-Catherine-Crook-Book-The-Cheap-Fast-Free-/302910345971 )

Swinton's The Dinosaurs ("Natural History: General": https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Dinosaurs-by-W-E-Swinton-Hardback-1970/91009080 )

McGowen's Album of Dinosaurs ("Following an introductory sketch of the history and general characteristics of dinosaurs, each of twelve succeeding chapters focuses upon a particular genus...its peculiarities, presumed habits, and relationships to contemporary life": https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&ei=3rvGXK_LJJ7K0PEP09OFqAU&q=%22Following+an+introductory+sketch+of+the+history%22 )

Halstead's The Evolution and Ecology of the Dinosaurs

Moody's A Natural History of Dinosaurs

Tweedie's The World of Dinosaurs ("Natural History: General": https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/The-World-of-Dinosaurs-by-Michael-W-F-Tweedie-Hardback-1977/89888062 )

Lambert's Dinosaurs/The Illustrated Book of Dinosaurs/The Giant Dinosaur Book ( https://books.google.com/books?id=yU7zIKi0xngC&source=gbs_similarbooks ) ( https://www.worldcat.org/title/giant-dinosaur-book/oclc/48739443 )

Charig's A New Look at the Dinosaurs ( https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/naish-and-barretts-dinosaurs-how-they-lived-and-evolved/ )

McLoughlin's Archosauria: A New Look at the Old Dinosaur ( https://marswillsendnomore.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/archosauria-a-new-look-at-the-old-dinosaur/ )

Sattler's Dinosaurs of North America ( https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2267190.Dinosaurs_of_North_America )

Man's Dinosaurs (It's basically an abbreviated version of Man's The Natural History of the Dinosaur/The Day of the Dinosaur)

Colbert's Dinosaurs: An Illustrated History (See the back cover: http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/49916-1/Main+Dino+Books+rear.jpg )

Waldrop/Loomis' Ranger Rick's Dinosaur Book ("A magazine published ten times a year containing stories, photographs, riddles, games, and crossword puzzles relating to natural history": https://books.google.com/books/about/Ranger_Rick_s_Nature_Magazine.html?id=xvNJAAAAYAAJ )

Norman's When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth (See "About this Item": https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=676254730 )

Wexo's Zoobooks - Dinosaurs ("Zoobooks...both natural history and the environment": https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Zoobooks+and+Dolphin%22 )

Zallinger's Dinosaurs and Other Archosaurs (See "Overview": https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dinosaurs-and-other-archosaurs-peter-zallinger/1000158456 )

Bakker's The Dinosaur Heresies: New Theories Unlocking the Mystery of the Dinosaurs and Their Extinction ( http://cloggie.org/books/dinosaur-heresies.html )

World Book Inc.'s Dinosaurs!: A Supplement to Childcraft: The How and Why Library ("Natural History: General": https://www.ebay.com.au/p/183737983 )

Wallace's The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaur

Elting's The Big Golden Book of Dinosaurs ("Part of the Golden Book series dealing with natural history for young people": https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Elting%2C+Mary%2C+1988%2C%22 )

Man's The Natural History of the Dinosaur/The Day of the Dinosaur

Wexo's Dinosaurs (Prehistoric zoobooks) ("Zoobooks...both natural history and the environment": https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Zoobooks+and+Dolphin%22 )

Dixon's The Big Book of Dinosaurs: A Natural History of the Prehistoric World

Russell's An Odyssey in Time: The Dinosaurs of North America (See "About this book": https://www.nhbs.com/an-odyssey-in-time-the-dinosaurs-of-north-america-book?bkfno=17435 )

Kricher's Peterson First Guide to Dinosaurs ("A Guide to Field Guides: Identifying the Natural History of North America": https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22to+Dinosaurs%2C+723%22 )

Gaffney's Dinosaurs ("A Guide to Field Guides: Identifying the Natural History of North America": https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22715.+Gaffney%2C+Eugene%22 )

Czerkas/Czerkas' Dinosaurs: A Global View ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dinosaurs-Global-Sylvia-J-Czerkas/dp/1850280509 )

Norman's Dinosaur! ("The book was based on the television series of the same name, and examines the natural history of the dinosaurs, what they ate, where they lived and why they died": https://www.biblio.com/book/dinosaur-norman-david/d/431441993 )

Michard's Reign of the Dinosaurs ("Natural History: Animal & Wildlife": https://www.ebay.com/p/89717900 )

Wallace's Familiar Dinosaurs ("A Guide to Field Guides: Identifying the Natural History of North America": https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Familiar+Dinosaurs%2C+731%22 )

Lessem's Dinosaur Worlds ( http://westnoblemiddle.mysurpass.net/websafari.exe/detail?sid=E7BC76EF-2CAF-4370-A100-3F5527DE3A2F&database=westnoblemiddle&list=R&rec=5&marc=11377 )

Haines' Walking with Dinosaurs: A Natural History

Benton's Walking With Dinosaurs: The Facts/Walking With Dinosaurs: Fascinating Facts

Martill/Naish's Walking with Dinosaurs: The Evidence

Lambert's DK Guide to Dinosaurs ("Depicts how dinosaurs lived and died, covering such topics as habitats, size, hunting techniques, self-defense, courtship, and family life": http://web.ccsu.edu/library/curriculumlab/bibliographies/Dinosaur.htm )

Colagrande/Felder's In the Presence of Dinosaurs (See "About this book": http://www.nhbs.com/title/109299/in-the-presence-of-dinosaurs )

Stout's The New Dinosaurs/The Dinosaurs: A Fantastic New View of a Lost Era (See the back cover: http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/49916-1/Main+Dino+Books+rear.jpg )

Bailey's The Day of the Dinosaurs

Barrett's Dinosaurs: A Natural History/National Geographic Dinosaurs

Gee/Rey's A Field Guide to Dinosaurs: The Essential Handbook for Travelers in the Mesozoic ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC261880/ )

Gardom/Milner's The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs

Brusatte/Benton's Dinosaurs ("Natural History: Animal & Wildlife": https://www.ebay.com/p/95523642?_trksid=p2047675.m4099.l9056 )

Brusatte's Field Guide to Dinosaurs (To quote Reed J. Richmond, "This is a slimmed down version of the huge coffee table book that Brusatte did earlier (titled "Dinosaurs")")

Sampson's Dinosaur Odyssey: Fossil Threads in the Web of Life ( https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7048639-dinosaur-odyssey )

Scott's Planet Dinosaur ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/Planet-Dinosaur-Natural-History-BBC-x/dp/1849900930 )

Bakker's The Big Golden Book of Dinosaurs ( https://paleoaerie.org/2013/11/26/its-big-its-golden-and-its-dinosaurs/ )

DeCourten's Dinosaurs Of Utah ( https://muse.jhu.edu/book/41386 )

White's Dinosaur Hunter: The Ultimate Guide to the Biggest Game (See "My thoughts": https://prehistoricpulp.com/2017/08/05/dinosaur-hunter-by-steve-white-2015/ )

Chuang/Yang's THEM: Age Of Dinosaurs ("Non-Fiction Subject: Natural History": https://www.ebay.com/itm/PNSO-THEM-Age-Of-Dinosaurs-Book/113900528994?hash=item1a85002562:g:tUkAAOSwCtJaCu3B )

Brusatte's Day of the Dinosaurs: Step into a spectacular prehistoric world (See "Children's Books and other Popular Books": https://sites.google.com/site/brusatte/home/stephen-brusatte-science-writing )

Kuether's The Amazing World of Dinosaurs: An Illustrated Journey Through the Mesozoic Era ("Natural History: General": https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/The-Amazing-World-of-Dinosaurs-An-Illustrated-Journey-Through-the-Mesozoic-Era-by-James-Kuether/232639747 )

Naish/Barrett's Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved

Paul's The Princeton Field Guide to Dinosaurs/Dinosaurs: A Field Guide ( https://press.princeton.edu/birds/w2field.html )

Fastovsky/Weishampel's Dinosaurs: A Concise Natural History/The Evolution and Extinction of the Dinosaurs

Howard's Dinosaur Empire! (Earth Before Us #1): Journey through the Mesozoic Era

Brusatte's The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs: The Untold Story of a Lost World/The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs: A New History of a Lost World

Norell's The World of Dinosaurs: An Illustrated Tour ( https://openlettersreview.com/open-letters-review/the-world-of-dinosaurs-an-illustrated-tour-by-mark-a-norell )
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: JPLegacy Memorial Thread
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[mention]Dead2009[/mention] wrote:
There's no overreaction, really. It's just that social media is the {#}1{/#} platform when it comes to discussing film. Not sure how pointing that out was overreacting.


I already said this as well, very clearly too, but whatever.
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There's no overreaction, really. It's just that social media is the #1 platform when it comes to discussing film. Not sure how pointing that out was overreacting.
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[mention]Dead2009[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
You know when I look at the number of joined new members since I registered here four months ago, and see it's only 32, I would be lying if I said that's impressive or even adequate. Also despite being about the same in size, Jurassic Outpost forum still gets the {#}1{/#} spot if you do a google search for "jurassic park forum". I guess because of the association of that site/brand.

But still, given that forums in 2017 are not the powerhouse they once were, like 10-15 years ago, it's not bad at all. And also, more importantly, at least the active and semi-active community that is here, is quite talkative. Maybe with JP5 the traffic will increase a bit too. Of course getting to JPL traffic levels is probably never going to happen, not here or elsewhere that's not twitter/facebook/etc, but nobody expects that anyway. I think 500-100 by JP5 would be nice, even acknowledging 75% of those accounts would be inactive/non-posting.


This isnt and never was intended to be a competition to anything. It was never a competition on JPL either. If the goal was to be the biggest Jurassic Park forum right off the bat, this place would probably cease to exist especially with social media dominating every asspect of discussion pertaining to film.


I already answered to this same exact argument couple of posts before. And anyway I think you are overreacting to what I said
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@Mistral wrote:
You know when I look at the number of joined new members since I registered here four months ago, and see it's only 32, I would be lying if I said that's impressive or even adequate. Also despite being about the same in size, Jurassic Outpost forum still gets the #1 spot if you do a google search for "jurassic park forum". I guess because of the association of that site/brand.

But still, given that forums in 2017 are not the powerhouse they once were, like 10-15 years ago, it's not bad at all. And also, more importantly, at least the active and semi-active community that is here, is quite talkative. Maybe with JP5 the traffic will increase a bit too. Of course getting to JPL traffic levels is probably never going to happen, not here or elsewhere that's not twitter/facebook/etc, but nobody expects that anyway. I think 500-100 by JP5 would be nice, even acknowledging 75% of those accounts would be inactive/non-posting.


This isnt and never was intended to be a competition to anything. It was never a competition on JPL either. If the goal was to be the biggest Jurassic Park forum right off the bat, this place would probably cease to exist especially with social media dominating every asspect of discussion pertaining to film.
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You know when I look at the number of joined new members since I registered here four months ago, and see it's only 32, I would be lying if I said that's impressive or even adequate. Also despite being about the same in size, Jurassic Outpost forum still gets the {#}1{/#} spot if you do a google search for "jurassic park forum". I guess because of the association of that site/brand.

But still, given that forums in 2017 are not the powerhouse they once were, like 10-15 years ago, it's not bad at all. And also, more importantly, at least the active and semi-active community that is here, is quite talkative. Maybe with JP5 the traffic will increase a bit too. Of course getting to JPL traffic levels is probably never going to happen, not here or elsewhere that's not twitter/facebook/etc, but nobody expects that anyway. I think 500-100 by JP5 would be nice, even acknowledging 75% of those accounts would be inactive/non-posting.
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Alonso to drive in the Indy 500, skipping Monaco GP
www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128926/alonso-to-race-in-2017-indy-500

Like many others, when I saw this in the morning, I was shocked beyond belief. Mainly because McLaren-Honda allowed it (okay technically they are sort of there in ICS as well), but because he had never really talked about the 500, only Le Mans. Which is something he still is planning to do later, when possible. I'd bet on next year now already. Exciting times.

The hype has now calmed down, only {#}24{/#} in Google Trends, but it was {#}1{/#} for long time this afternoon
https://trends.google.com/trends/?hl=en
Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Game of thrones Discussion.
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Search in: Off-Topic Discussions   Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Game of thrones Discussion.    Topics tagged under 1 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Apr 04, 2017 4:17 pm
@Mistral wrote:
I think S5 and S6 were still pretty great and enjoyable, although the rate of "pointless deaths" has increased to exponential levels. My friend would fiercely oppose me on that one, but her opinions are hers and I won't take them away.

I also have admit that the Bran story line is so god damn boring, and has been ever since he escaped from Winterfell. The newly introduced "flashbacks" aren't much batter. If there's one character that should've been massacred seasons ago, it's Bran.

IMO 13 episodes is just enough for the final push, and I'm sure few of them will go past 60 min mark.  8 seasons is 6 seasons longer than Rome (still my actual #1 HBO series ever) and they should be glad they got that long of a run when Rome didn't. I am not looking forward to potential spinoff, potential to ruin quite perfect saga with pointless stories from another time is quite high.


Oh don't get me wrong I still think it's great tv. Like I would still put S5 or 6 on a pedestal compared to most other shows. I personally just think it has gone down hill. Personally I think they are in such a tough spot. I have heard the books kinda went downhill as well and it must be tough having to go past the book, and deciding what to keep and what not etc.

I agree with you on pointless death scenes. And I'm curious to which deaths you would consider pointless. Personally I think they are banking way too much on shock value. Yes I know in the books Stannis kills his daughter. But in the show I felt it was handled so terribly. They purposefully made Stannis care more for her in S5 just so her murder would be more shocking imo. I couldn't stand the way they did it. 

Rickon was also a death that was so pointless imo. I understand he was a minor character but in that scene I was just thinking "I know he's going to get hit, but it would be such a cool change to not have the shock value and him live". But nope. Too easy to predict. 

I'm sorry but I still can't personally accept the final 13 episodes thing. I already know the full spoilers for S7 mostly and I don't see 6 being enough. Unless like you said they pull a Westworld and have episodes that are basically movies. For reference Westworld had a around 90 minute finale in you're unaware Smile

Also this was bound to happen and I knew it was coming...  so this isn't any fault but mine. But I Feel like there are 3 types of game of thrones fans. 

1.
People who are really into the fantasy aspect. 

2. People who watch the show mostly for the politics and like a little fantasy here and there.

3. And people who full on enjoy both full force.

I am number 2 firmly. I like the fantasy but dragons and white walkers have always been at the bottom of my list of why I watch. So you understand my inevitable disappointment since that all has to come to a head. 

But I'm interested to hear a nice long post from you on what you like and don't like. And what you're looking forward to seeing.
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