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Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Good, semi-good, & bad dino sources
JD-man

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Search in: The Museum   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Good, semi-good, & bad dino sources    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2019 7:39 am
I originally posted the following at deviantART (Part 4: https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-Semi-good-and-Bad-Dino-Sources-4-800236863 ). I encourage you to make your own list of good, semi-good, & bad dino sources. It doesn't have to be the same format or include the same sources.

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Hi everybody,

I was originally planning on "Good, semi-good, and bad dino sources 3" being the last part in the series ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 ). However, I've since learned more about some of the already-listed sources & others.

Cheers,
Herman Diaz

Good

Remember what I said about the AMNH (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 )? The same goes for the Smithsonian ("Smithsonian Institution: Smithsonian Homepage": https://www.si.edu/ ). "The museum's new Deep Time Hall" ( http://dino-sours.tumblr.com/post/170584157882/10-things-im-excited-for-in-the-new-national ) & the book based on it ( https://www.amazon.com/Smithsonian-Dinosaurs-Other-Amazing-Creatures-ebook/dp/B07H1XJTJB ) are especially good examples of that.

Remember what I said about Gardom/Milner's "The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs" (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-1-351589315 )? Naish/Barrett's "Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved" does everything Gardom/Milner's book does, but mostly bigger & better (See books #2 & #1 for what I mean: https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Top-4-natural-histories-of-dinos-758236511 ).

Remember what I said about "Prehistoric Beast of the Week" & "Paleoaerie" (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 )? The same mostly goes for "Palaeos, la historia de la Vida en la Tierra" ( http://palaeos-blog.blogspot.com/ ). Put another way, the latter is more-or-less to Mexico what the former are to NJ & AR, respectively.

Remember what I said about Witton (See "Good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-3-632615112 )? Apparently, I didn't say enough. My bad. Given the combination of his paleoart influence ( https://chasmosaurs.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-great-2017-palaeoart-survey-some.html ), his paleoart books ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU3n7SMi0FI ), & his recent paleoart ( http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2018/02/a-mural-for-dippy-restoring-celebrity.html ), he's basically the modern day Charles R. Knight.

Semi-good

Remember what I said about Benton & Brusatte (See "Semi-good": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-2-454991435 )? Norman ("Dr David Norman — Department of Earth Sciences": https://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/directory/david-norman ) is similar, but more layered:
-On the 1 hand, he's a consistently good source for the specialist. His ornithopod work is especially notable (E.g. To quote Witton, "For an easy to access, relatively up to date and inexpensive look at a bunch of iguanodonts, you could do a lot worse than checking out Dave Norman's chapter on ornithopods in English Wealden Fossils": http://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2014/01/remembering-iguanodon.html ).*
-On the other hand, he's a not-so-consistent source for casual readers/the enthusiast. Yes, "When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth" & "Dinosaur!" are both great & I reviewed the former as such ( https://www.amazon.com/review/RJ6H99FGIW6CC/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8 ). However, a lot of his other popular work is just OK for reasons discussed in said review.
-1 especially good example of that is his "Ask the Expert" column in "Dinosaurs!" magazine ( https://chasmosaurs.blogspot.com/2012/01/vintage-dinosaur-art-yet-more-dinosaurs.html ): For 1, compare his T.rex answer to "Mythical Match" (which is from the 1971 book, "Animal Ghosts": http://agathaumas.blogspot.com/2011/10/antropocentrismo-e-paleoillustrazione.html ); For another, compare his "feather theory" answer to the Gardom/Milner quote (which is from the 1993 edition of "The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs").
-Another especially good example is his review of Bakker's "Raptor Red" & how it reminds me of the "nature fakers controversy" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_fakers_controversy ): On the 1 hand, I agree w/Burroughs about unverified claims being presented as facts; On the other hand, Burroughs comes off as blindly dismissive of the possibility that animals are more than just automatons; In reference to the latter, I think Seton was especially good at showing that "animals are creatures with wants and feelings differing in degree only from our own" ( http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=seton&book=wild&story=_front ); You could argue that Seton ultimately won the debate given that "his contributions to natural history included pioneering work in what would become the sciences of ecology and ethology" (which backed up a lot of what he said: https://books.google.com/books?id=RWQH8iSDQhEC&pg=PR7&dq=%22seton+may+be+best%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN_cXk7IjaAhUET98KHcSEAFUQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=%22seton%20may%20be%20best%22&f=false ). Similarly, Norman comes off as blindly dismissive of Bakker's book (which got a lot right: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/RaptorRed ).

*I'm specifically referring to his 1980s Iguanodon work (which reminds me of Dollo's 1880s Iguanodon work in terms of changing our views of how Iguanodon looked & behaved).

Quoting Gardom/Milner: "Why feathers? It is generally agreed that birds evolved from small meat-eating theropod dinosaurs. Obviously these dinosaurs did not sprout feathers overnight and become birds, so there must have been a long period when some of the small theropods were experimenting with feathers, which are only a different version of scales."

Bad

As you may remember from my Riddle review ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R47I7QPHDIHYD/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0300164351 ), BANDits are basically the paleo equivalent of creationists & global warming deniers ( https://dinosaurpalaeo.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/banditry-creationism-and-global-warming-denial/ ). Similarly, Ford ("Brian J Ford scientific home page") is basically the paleo equivalent of a flat earther. Ford's dino work is so bad that 1) NHBS sells it w/a Surgeon General-esque warning ("The aquatic dinosaur hypothesis of Ford, who is not himself a palaeontologist, is considered controversial in palaeontological circles and generally not taken seriously, being at odds with a large body of evidence. Interested readers might also want to have a look at the pieces written by palaeontologists Brian Switek for Smithsonian.com, and Darren Naish for Scientific American": https://www.nhbs.com/too-big-to-walk-book ), & 2) Naish has had to dissect it 3 separate times (which are as follows):
-"Palaeontology bites back…": https://darrennaish.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/naish-2012-labnews-response-to-ford-aquatic-dinosaurs.pdf
-"Brian J. Ford's Aquatic Dinosaurs, 2014 Edition": https://web.archive.org/web/20180422065207/https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/brian-j-ford-s-aquatic-dinosaurs-2014-edition/
-"A Vast Quantity of Evidence Confirms That Non-Bird Dinosaurs Were Not Aquatic": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG50CGJJfUs

Remember what I said about Gwawinapterus/Johnfaa (See "Bad": https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Good-semi-good-and-bad-dino-sources-1-351589315 )? Apparently, I didn't say enough. My bad. For 1, his real name is Carlos Miguel Albuquerque & he has since moved his "Gwawinapterus" content to "Ichthyoconodon – Prehistoric esoterism". For another, he's since been permabanned from both Wikipedia  (as Falconfly: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=prev&oldid=868840663&fbclid=IwAR0cqwNa_ZkFJEDHs6VF71y9sd2DRJRxraMGwLk7az_8XeGUceUnaWi6Eo4#User:Falconfly ) & the Tetrapod Zoology group (See the Naish quote).

Quoting Naish ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/156954631577624/permalink/318195005453585/?comment_id=318639152075837&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D ): "Hi everyone. A load of drama has happened in my few days of absence from this group. I can't make any sense of what's happened nor do I understand what the source of argument is. But one person here has been accused of bullying, of sending vindictive personal messages, and of displaying an attitude that is very contrary to the group-minded, co-operative discussions I most want to see here. I have therefore decided to remove that person from the group and I would advise other parties involved not to engage further via DM or whatever."
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: FCM Revivial
Megaspino2

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Search in: JP: Operation Genesis   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: FCM Revivial    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2019 9:14 pm
@Dinonerd343 wrote:
I have 3 questions to ask you Megaspino:

#1: Will the there still be dinosaurs from the old FCM HD mod like the Herrerasaurus and the Troodon ?

#2: Will this mod will be on moddb and will it be relased sometime in 2019 ?

#3: Will the Mamenchisaurus will be in the mod ?



The old dinosaurs will be in, no JW dinosaurs though.

I'm actually planning on putting it on Moddb once I have some more pictures since you need at least 5 pictures to post your mod and I don't want to be the guy who posts the same picture over and over to reach the limit Razz.

Mamenchi will be in the mod; it's a perfect candidate since we can edit models and animations now. This means the animations won't be so janky (the old one had very strange things happen with the neck when it bent).

Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: FCM Revivial
Dinonerd343

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Search in: JP: Operation Genesis   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: FCM Revivial    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2019 8:45 pm
I have 3 questions to ask you Megaspino:

#1: Will the there still be dinosaurs from the old FCM HD mod like the Herrerasaurus and the Troodon ?

#2: Will this mod will be on moddb and will it be relased sometime in 2019 ?

#3: Will the Mamenchisaurus will be in the mod ?
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: My Dinosaur Ecosystems experience
JD-man

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Search in: The Museum   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: My Dinosaur Ecosystems experience    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeWed Dec 05, 2018 12:22 am
I originally posted the following at deviantART ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-My-Dinosaur-Ecosystems-experience-775311804 ).

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Hi everybody!

On 11/16/18, I received my verified certificate for passing the "Dinosaur Ecosystems" course (100%: https://courses.edx.org/certificates/f2ae3b4a8ceb4dcc803a44c50df024e8?fbclid=IwAR2e1wLhDY5vKXPFw8vNJBI_yh-xetTG-wEnySGNGvkIXf-kkLqIKubUhS0 ). I enrolled in the course partly b/c of Paleoaerie's recommendation ( https://paleoaerie.org/2018/09/14/national-online-learning-day/?fbclid=IwAR2VnWO0rjLiZey8oxqznDzl6U-tUqzTs9gxaKM7aCDp5sK5-8l1ToK7_kk ), & partly to prepare myself for volunteering at a local dino museum (I think it'll help me be a better natural history interpreter). This journal entry is a modified version of my course review. 1 more thing of note: Before starting the course, I felt like Solrac in "SOLRACUEST" (See 2:30-3:00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJhATayEb4&t=1s ); After receiving my certificate, I felt like Homer in "The Simpsons- S-M-R-T" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA ).

Cheers,
Herman Diaz

Trying to review this course

I'm usually not very good at reviewing things in the moment, but I'll try.

What I liked: Almost everything about this course, especially how thorough it was (even more so than some books I've read in terms reconstructing a dino ecosystem as completely as possible), how concise each video was (which made it easier for me to focus on learning the topic at hand & re-watch the video multiple times for good measure), the use of images in each video (which made the video less static for me & helped me better understand what the ppl were talking about), the inclusion of transcripts & CC (which gave me the option of reading & listening at the same time AWA helped me better understand the ppl w/thick accents), & the practice questions (which helped me better understand why the correct answers were correct).

What I didn't like: I previously mentioned a few things that were mislabeled or presented not-so-well...but those are easy fixes. The only 2 things I didn't like that might be not-so-easy fixes were 1) Brusatte's Week 2 video being hard to take seriously, & 2) Weeks 5-6 having too much content for that amount of time. In reference to #1, I previously mentioned the weird factual errors in Brusatte's popular work in general & said video in particular...The other problem w/said video is Brusatte's presentation (which was less like that of the credible expert I know he is & more like that of a George Blasing-esque dork: https://www.deviantart.com/tyrantisterror/art/Jurassic-Fight-Club-Formula-136354754 ). More specifically, his voice got high & giggly several times throughout said video, as if he was trying not to bust out laughing for some reason. I get that Brusatte's excited to talk about his professional interests, but so are Dr. Pittman & the other course experts, yet they had no trouble showing that while also being dignified. In reference to #2, this course should've been 8 weeks long w/Weeks 5-6 being Weeks 5-8. In Weeks 1-4, I was able to spread the content out over 1 week & focus on (re-)watching 1 video per day without taking time out of my busy schedule. In Weeks 5-6, however, there was so much content that I had to stay up later every day & (re-)watch multiple videos on a given day.

Overall, 8 or 9/10, highly recommended to anyone w/an interest in dinos, especially non-expert dino fans like me.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Blow Off Some Steam: Through the Portal
Dead2009

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Search in: Off-Topic Discussions   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Blow Off Some Steam: Through the Portal    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Oct 16, 2018 7:26 am
Update on the shitty situation I've been in at work. Still not talking with the buddy, although she's been laughing at stupid memes I've been sending her lately. Just sucks because we're in month #2 of not having a full conversation. Also, one of the jackoffs that went around spreading that rumor? Apparently hates having his balls busted in a text message because I sent a joke about him and another woman that everyone was joking with him about and he got super offended.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Modding Q&A thread
JP_Dino_Hunter

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Search in: JP: Operation Genesis   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Modding Q&A thread    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Oct 16, 2018 3:40 am
I have a strange feeling I have to open the application after each skin edit. I'm going to try to pinpoint the crash because it just launched successfully after testing one skin. I was editing multiple skins and then not testing if it would run.

I'll do that and report back.

Edit: The galli's new skin didn't completely cover the old galli skin in hex for whatever reason. I believe that caused the crash. Don't know a solution for that so I'm skipping it.

Edit #2:

If anyone can provide some assistance on the footer part of multi-skin tmls tutorial I would greatly appreciate it. I believe that is the only part I'm struggling with that is preventing my multi-skins from working. I've read over all three tutorials on the footer information and I think someone needs to update it or put it in video at this point.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Exploring Jurassic Park's weirdest script draft
Mr. Robustus

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Exploring Jurassic Park's weirdest script draft    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Aug 27, 2018 1:36 pm
So, I've recently been reading some of the Jurassic Park's scripts, and one in particular caught my attention. It's the march 1992 draft, written by Malia Scotch Marmo (apparently there was also involvement by Crichton himself), that was after the first Michael Crichton draft and before the final David Koepp drafts. There's a lot of concept art for this draft floating around the internet. It's... kind of schlocky, to be honest. There's some really silly dialogue and it reads too much like a B-movie. But I found kind of fascinating to think that this could be the Jurassic Park movie that we got, and started writing down some of the things I found interesting. You can find it here, if you're interested.

Let me get the most interesting stuff out of the way first:

- The first time a dinosaur appears on the flesh is only fairly late into the script, on the jeep tour ride itself. No "Welcome to Jurassic Park" scene here. We are actually TOLD that the Park houses living dinosaurs and how they were made waaaay before we actually see one. There isn't even a hatchling waiting for them in the hatchery or anything.
- On a similar note, Hammond himself only appears in the Visitor Center during the tour ride. Gennaro is the one that picks Alan and Ellie on the dig site.
- Remember that exciting sequence from the novel where the T. rex chases Grant and the kids on their raft through the river? Spielberg has been quoted saying that early during pre-production that it was one of the first sequences he scrapped, because it would be too complicated to recreate. Well, that sequence is present on this draft, but there's a catch: there's no T. rex. Or any other dinosaur, for that matter. Instead, it's just a whole sequence of Grant and the kids looking for a raft on the maintenance shed, finding it, and descending the river while fighting... rapids.
- Nedry isn't stealing dinosaur embryos in this version... he's stealing dinosaur EGGS (he uses a portable incubator instead of a barbasol can). And what's more, he actually makes it to the boat and delivers them! The boat's captain is in on the whole theft, and is actually waiting personally for Nedry to arrive. And the visitors witness the whole smuggling business from afar. Remember that ticking clock subplot from the novel where the visitors need to get the phones working so they can stop the boat before it reaches the mainland? This is basically an adaptation from that, with the difference being that they are trying to stop a smuggling operation instead of stopping two juvenile Velociraptors from reaching the mainland.
- As they're leaving in the rescue chopper, Hammond outright refuses to go with them, ignoring Grant's protests. Instead, he stubbornly walks back into the jungle, and his parting words to Grant is that he'll "amount to nothing", and he'll "be a bone-brusher for the rest of his life".
- After that, the group has a final face-off with the T. rex as it tries to attack the helicopter. Until then, the T. rex was totally absent from the third act. The last time we saw it was after it took down a juvenile hadrosaur.
- Finally, the most interesting aspect: remember that sick Triceratops? They never do find out what's wrong with it in the movie we got, but we know from the comic adaptation, the novel and the final script that the reason it got sick was that, whenever it swallowed gizzard stones, it swallowed some poison berries accidentally. In this draft, the protagonists also come to this conclusion... at first, that is. Later that night, after the T. rex has broke out, Ellie goes to one of the laboratories to analyse a tissue sample from the Triceratops ("Freda", as she is called here) under the microscope, and we learn that the mysterious disease is also affecting the other animals. Grant even notices the same tiny bumps on the tongue of a hadrosaur when he's making his way back to the Visitor Center with the two kids. The answer to the mystery? Ellie finds out from looking at X-Rays of the Triceratops bones that all the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park aren't adults, but instead juveniles pumped with growth hormones. The reason for this (explained by Hammond himself) is that there's a problem with the cloning process that causes the cloned dinosaurs to die very young, and the Park is on a deadline, so "Wu uses growth hormones to achieve the desired size in a short amount of time". Hammond also reveals to Ellie that the main reason he invited her and Alan over is so that, once the tour survey was over, they could help him figure out how to solve that. Naturally, they don't. Everyone just leaves and the implication is that the dinosaurs will all die out.

Characters omissions:

- Probably the biggest character omission here: there's no Ian Malcolm on this draft. Instead, his roles are given to both Grant and Gennaro. Grant is the one constantly at odds and getting into moral discussions with Hammond, and they don't see eye-to-eye. On the other hand, Gennaro is the one accompanying Grant and Sattler on the tour vehicles, and he's the one that gets injured by the T. rex and that later spends the rest of the time high on morphine. This change actually kind of works, but the script ends up missing on a good comic relief (we're basically stuck with Nedry and Lex)
- Oddly enough, there is no Dodgson here (see what I did there it's like a pun). Instead, he's replaced by a character named Bill Baker... that serves pretty much the same purpose, to a point where I was asking myself why did they even change the name. Also, he meets with Nedry on his company's headquarters instead of San Jose.

Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom déjà vu's:

- Lex rides a baby Triceratops. This was later referenced in the lawsuit-waiting-to-happen Gentle Giants scene from Jurassic World.
- This draft constantly mentions a Dilophosaurus umbrella being sold on the gift shop. While it doesn't happen on this draft, there's a concept art showing Tim and Lex using that umbrella to fend off a Raptor (here). That might have influenced the scene in Jurassic World where Gray activates a Dilo hologram to distract Delta.
- After Ellie tries to reboot energy in the generator, she runs back to the fence surrounding Hammond's quarters with a Raptor hot in pursuit. Muldoon leaves the gate half-shut for Ellie, and she rolls through it. Muldoon shuts the gate just in time before the Raptor can get inside, and the Raptor gets stuck in the bars of the gate. The scene where Owen holds off Blue, Charlie and Delta and rolls through the closing gate before they can pounce on him is reminiscent of this.
- At one point, Ellie enter Hammond's quarters, and there's a large model of the park with plastic dinosaurs. She even briefly picks up the plastic T. rex like Maisie did in an unused scene.
- The T. rex reveal is mostly done by the storm's lightning. Four movies later, Bayona would use the same visual artifice for the T. rex reveal in Fallen Kingdom's prologue.
- There's also the raptor-type dinosaur being killed in the climax by the head of a dinosaur skeleton in a display.

Direct similarities with the novel that didn't carry over to the final script:

- Gennaro is young and athletic. Also, he plays a major role, like in the novel.
- Grant likes kids.
- Tim is older than Lex, and Lex likes baseball and is an insufferable brat.
- Nedry accompanies Grant, Sattler and Gennaro on the helicopter to the island.
- Grant and the kids are woken in the tree by a hadrosaur instead of a Brachiosaurus.
- The stampede scene involves a group of hadrosaurs, not Gallimimus (although the latter are still present here).
- Muldoon actually discovers Nedry's dead body.
- Lex makes friends with a baby Trike.
- Hammond is an asshole, and he dies (or at least it's implied) in the end.
- Both Harding and Wu stay on the island, and Wu is killed by one of the raptors.
- Muldoon survives. Yay!
- Ed Regis is here, accompanying Tim and Lex. Like in the novel, he abandons them during the T. rex breakout, and is later killed by the T. rex (only it's the adult instead of the juvenile).
- The Dilophosaurus is as big as the actual animal, like in the novel. As a bonus, they are already described as having the Chlamydosaurus-esque frill.
- Hammond mentions to Gennaro that they are gonna make a miniature pet Triceratops, like Dodgson hypothesized during the BioSyn boardroom meeting in the novel.
- Grant has his showdown with the Raptors on the hatchery here. The difference is that there's only one Raptor, instead of three. Booo.
- Lex makes friends with a juvenile Triceratops, and actually rides it, like she wanted to do in the novel.

Assorted musings:

- The opening scene is - like the first trailer - a microscopic view of a mosquito in amber being drilled for dinosaur DNA. After that, we cut to the dig site. There's no scene of a Velociraptor being unloaded into its pen.
- There's a whole scene in Gennaro's law office where he and his boss discuss his upcoming inspection of the park. It's... kind of redundant.
- Nedry is incredibly obnoxious in this. Like, much more than in the actual movie, almost like a Jar Jar Binks.
- The tour goes like this: Brachiosaurus > Gallimimus > Dilophosaurus > Triceratops > T. rex
- The "T. rex can only see movement" rule is kind of all over the place here. It's never brought up, other than Grant telling Gennaro and Tim "don't move" when the T. rex breaks out, and then when they see the T. rex attacking Ed Regis, Grant says this: "It's Regis and the Rex is after him.  But it's okay.  Regis knows the Rex can't see him.  Evidently, he can only see movement.  Regis'll be ok if he stays still".
- Ed Regis tries to appeal to the T. rex's good side. It was already silly in the novel, where he did that to a juvenile, but here he tries to do that to an adult T. rex. Also, Grant just kind of watches from a distance with the kids as Regis is comically killed off. He doesn't even try to intervene, or to shield the kids eyes.
- Apparently there are flamingos in the herbivore enclosure. John Hammond really was keen on destroying that leased island's ecosystem in every way possible.
- As aforementioned, there's a scene where Lex finds a baby Triceratops and rides it for a while like a horse. Maybe it's the cynical adult in me, but I'm glad this scene didn't make it into the final movie. The way it's described makes it sound way too whimsical and kid-friendly for my taste. On a different note, it got me wondering how the hell they expected to pull a scene like that off back in 1992.
- There's a recurring motif of mosquitoes buzzing around the characters at certain moments. After the visitors leave to resume their tour, a mosquito buzzes around the sick Triceratops before being smashed by its tail. A mosquito buzzes around Grant as he sleeps on the tree with the kids before being swatted away. Finally, on the second-to-last scene, a mosquito lands on the hand of a dying John Hammond. Poetic justice, I guess.
- Hammond has a sort of 'throne' in the Control Room from where he watches the tour ride. It sounds pretty stupid.
- Instead of an Alamosaurus, the display in the rotunda shows a Velociraptor skeleton fighting a T. rex. Strangely, this draft alludes this encounter numerous times without ever actually showing it in the flesh. There's the display in the rotunda, the climax in which Grant uses the T. rex bones to kill the final raptor, and during the early dig site scene, Ellie mentions that type of encounter (even though neither Velociraptor nor Deinonychus coexisted with T. rex). It's a wonder that it took so long for Spielberg to have the insight to include that fight in the actual movie.
- I'm not sure if Alan and Ellie are supposed to be an item in this. For the most part, it just seems like their relationship is purely platonic, but there's a part where they gaze into each other eyes for a while during the Brachiosaurus scene, and in the end, Grant puts his arm around her when they are escaping in the helicopter, and she pulls it closer.
- For some reason, there's a short scene of Muldoon and Ellie manually moving a fallen tree out of the road. That's it.
- Muldoon essentially leaves Wu for dead. Wu is running towards Hammond's quarters while being chased by a Raptor, and Muldoon closes the door on Wu's face so the Raptor won't get in. He and Ellie only hear Wu's screams from the other side. Jesus, that's really mean-spirited.
- At one point, Lex and Tim are cornered by a Raptor inside the Visitor Center's gift shop. There's a whole sequence where they defend themselves by throwing lots and lots of toys on it, and then make a run to the kitchen. It sounds really silly, almost home alone-esque.
- Muldoon is described as having a constant limp.
- Instead of a max-security fence, the raptors are enclosed in a pit whose opening is covered with wire mesh.
- There are five Raptors. There's no mention of a leader. Here's the death tally:
  Raptor #1: exploded by Muldoon's rocket launcher.
  Raptor #2: locked into freezer by Tim and Lex.
  Raptor #3: killed after eating poisoned egg.
  Raptor #4: gets electrocuted by the electrified bars of Hammond's quarters when Tim gets the power back on the Control Room.
  Raptor #5: squashed by the fallen head of the skeleton T. rex in the rotunda.
- As the main characters are getting aboard the rescue chopper, Hammond mentions they got a batch of Iguanodon eggs due to hatch on Tuesday when trying to convince them to stay. Too bad the park is already chapter 11.
- The final shot of the movie is the survivor's helicopter descending on the cargo ship that was trying to smuggle the dinosaur eggs. I'm not sure what that's supposed to imply, especially considering Grant already convinced it to turn around back to Nublar when he was with the kids on the Control Room.

Some descriptions I found funny:

- "It's A RAPTOR, lean and ferocious.  More like a cyborg than a hunter, it studies the kids from just outside the gift shop entrance. " what
- "The raptor stops gnawing, its ears perked up" what
- "The raptor licks its lips, lizard-like" what
- "The raptor is almost on the kids. Grant coughs conspicuously. The raptor whirls, studies Grant. He looks back at the children" I lost it reading this. Jesus, Grant, are you even trying?
- "The Rex paws after it, then drops down to four legs and gives the copter a final swipe with its tail". Did the writer forget the size of the T. rex's arms?

Some cheesy lines:

- "Extinct animals should stay extinct!" Gennaro, after panicking and running from the jeep. Maybe you should've waited until you're out of the T.rex earshot before screaming that.
- "You don't want to hurt Mr. Regis.  Go away.  Ed's your friend.  Back off!" Ed Regis, to a fully-grown T. rex.
- "Yo ho, I'll close this place down ..." Gennaro singing a shanty while high on morphine.
- "Oh good, 'cause I love the park!  It's more than we ever dreamed!  Those brachiosaurs are so big!  And those Spitters - (he spits) - incredible!  I only have one problem. Aren't we going to have pterodactyls? - (he frowns, smacks his forehead) - Oh, they'd fly away! (Gennaro looks off, watching the imaginary pterodactyls fly away.)" Gennaro to Hammond, while doped.
- "There's a raptor on the roof of this building.  Open that gate and you're a dead man" Ellie's succinct warning to Alan.
- "I just remembered something.  Raptors are born in large litters. There's probably more coming" Clutches, Tim. Clutches.
- "Hey you cretaceous dromaeosaur, you can't catch me.  Hey, come and get me, you flat-snouted Mongolian beast.  Hey!" Ellie's idea of an insult to a Velociraptor. And the Raptor actually gets distracted by that.
- "And then there were none" Grant's one-liner after the last Raptor is killed. Slow clap.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Top 4 Natural Histories of Dinos
JD-man

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Search in: The Museum   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Top 4 Natural Histories of Dinos    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Aug 07, 2018 8:29 pm
This post is the sequel to "Natural Histories of Dinos" ( http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=5963.0 ). It's nothing formal, just a list of what I (as a non-expert dino fan) think are the best adult NHDs & why. Even still, I hope that at least some of you will get something out of it.

4/3) Tie btwn Fastovsky/Weishampel's Dinosaurs: A Concise Natural History/The Evolution and Extinction of the Dinosaurs & Sampson's Dinosaur Odyssey: Fossil Threads in the Web of Life: Despite their obvious differences (E.g. Fastovsky/Weishampel's book is a textbook w/a phylogenetic format, while Sampson's is a non-textbook w/a chronological format), these 2 books have 3 major similarities: 1) In both books, "the story builds in a stepwise fashion," "each chapter [building] upon the previous ones"; 2) "Part of [the goal in both books] is to explore the relationships of organisms to each other and to the biosphere"; 3) "It is [hoped] that science educators in particular will embrace some of the approaches presented" in both books. This is especially apparent when you compare the Introduction of Fastovsky/Weishampel's book ( http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/11729/excerpt/9780521811729_excerpt.pdf ) to the Preface of Sampson's ( http://www.scottsampson.net/index.php?page=dinosaur-odyssey ).

2) Gardom/Milner's The Natural History Museum Book of Dinosaurs: To quote Hammond ( http://www.tehachapinews.com/lifestyle/pen-in-hand-wonder-bird-a-closer-look-at-a/article_d47df6a6-ba67-59b5-912d-3ec3620763d8.html ), the red-tailed hawk is "the archetypal bird of prey". Similarly, this book was the archetypal NHD from 1993-2016 (See "Synopsis": https://www.amazon.de/Natural-History-Museum-Book-Dinosaurs/dp/184442183X ). There are 2 main reasons for why I think that is: 1) To paraphrase Naish ( https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/naish-and-barretts-dinosaurs-how-they-lived-and-evolved/ ), this book is backed by "one of the world's greatest and most famous of natural history museums, and [based on] one of the world's most important scientific collections of dinosaur fossils"; This is especially apparent in "The Dino Directory" ("which serves as a nice supplement to [this] book": https://paleoaerie.org/2015/09/18/the-natural-history-museum-book-of-dinosaurs/ ); 2) This book has a day-in-the-life format (I.e. The 1st part introduces the dinos & their world; The 2nd part shows how the dinos lived & evolved in their world); This makes sense given that, according to Ernest Thompson Seton, day-in-the-life stories are the best way to write natural history (See "NOTE TO THE READER": http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=seton&book=wild&story=_front ). It's also worth mentioning that the newer editions are very much "enlarged and updated" compared to the older ones (E.g. 144 pages in 2006 vs. 128 pages in 1993).

1) Naish/Barrett's Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved: In 2016, 10 years after the last edition of Gardom/Milner's book, this book became the new archetypal NHD. This book does everything Gardom/Milner's book does, but mostly bigger & better ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R3VQ7TMT8EFOC7/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8 ). In fact, if I could, I'd give this book an extra star for being extra authoritative (I.e. An extra half star for the NHM & an extra half star for the Smithsonian). In other words, this is a 6-star book.

Honorable Mention #1) Norell's The World of Dinosaurs: An Illustrated Tour: While I do think that this book is 1 of the best adult NHDs, I'm not sure where it should be listed relative to the other books: On the 1 hand, like the NHM books, it's backed by "one of the world's greatest and most famous of natural history museums, and [based on] one of the world's most important scientific collections of dinosaur fossils"; Thus, all 3 books are among the most "lavishly illustrated, scientifically up-to-date" NHDs (See the back cover); On the other hand, like the textbook, it's phylogenetically-arranged (& thus, not as good as the day-in-the-life-style NHM books); That said, it does the phylogenetic format MUCH better than most other NHDs.*

*I.e. For 1, it doesn't profile just any dinos, but ~50 of the AMNH's most well-represented dinos; For another, not only are the dinos arranged in order of when their sub-groups evolved (E.g. "Theropoda" begins with Coelophysis, a primitive meat-eater, & ends with Gastornis, a modern-style bird), but each dino is put in perspective ecologically & with its relatives (E.g. See the highlighted paragraphs: https://books.google.com/books?id=A9-NDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA108&dq=%22the+specimen%22+%22velociraptor+has%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixoMDI-pDkAhUQs54KHQLUB8UQ6AEwAXoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=%22the%20specimen%22%20%22velociraptor%20has%22&f=false ); In other words, it puts the AMNH's dinos into an evolutionary & ecological context, making it feel both personal & broad at the same time.

Honorable Mention #2) Stout's The New Dinosaurs/The Dinosaurs: A Fantastic New View of a Lost Era: While not as recent as the other books, this book still deserves to be listed as 1 of the best adult NHDs. There are 4 main reasons for why I think that is: 1) It's the closest thing we have to a completely dinosaurian version of Seton's Wild Animals I Have Known (I.e. After the introductory chapters, it consists of a collection of short stories about the lives of dinos); 2) To paraphrase Robot Chicken ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTcVNuNX8yY ), Stout's comic book-style paleoart "ain't [100%] accurate, but it'll blow your [f***ing] mind"; 3) The 1981 edition greatly influenced the course of the Dino Renaissance, inspiring the likes of Michael Crichton, Walt Disney, & Jim Henson ( http://www.williamstout.com/news/journal/?p=3549 ), among others;* 4) The 2000 edition updated it for a new generation, combining classic day-in-the-life stories w/"32 added pages of new pictures and information" (& thus, putting said stories in the context of then-current dino science: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-new-dinosaurs_william-stout/470564/#isbn=0743407245&idiq=9201911 ).

*I especially like the Henson part b/c it reminds me of the knife scene in Crocodile Dundee.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Jurassic Park Franchise Prehistoric Fauna Masterpost
1morey

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Jurassic Park Franchise Prehistoric Fauna Masterpost    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jun 04, 2018 2:41 am
After many hours of research. I have compiled a master list of every prehistoric fauna to appear across the Jurassic Park franchise (films, books, comics, toys, video games, and as artwork or part of the dinopedia/glossary on the JP institute website).

What I did not include in the list were unidentifiable animals from the comics, cancelled toyline figures/video games, or animals that are only mentioned but do not show up on a population count/list or make any sort of physical appearance. Current nomina dubia that haven't been reclassified are placed in a separate section.

Parentheses indicate the following:

* Junior synonyms.

* Specific appearances for the Unspecified Ammonite genera.

* Extant status for Homo sapiens and Mesonychoteuthis hamiltoni.

* Descriptors indicating that Andrewsarchus, Eucnemesaurus, Pisanosaurus, and Unaysaurus are incorrectly depicted.

So here is the list:

Alphabetized list:
 


Animals by Most Recent Appearance:
 
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom SPOILER thread
Sickle_Claw

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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom SPOILER thread    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jun 04, 2018 2:11 am
#TRexSpinorematch wrote:
I know some fans are cynical about our Rex Spino rematch petition but what those fans fail to see is that by asking for a Rex Spino rematch we are also very clearly asking for Isla Sorna to become an important part of these new sequels and also sending a very clear message to Universal that fans do not want The Lost World or Jurassic Park 3 ignored at all.

Even though JP3 is still considered the most unpopular film in the franchise due in large part to the whole "There is no contest between a Rex and a Spino" fans don't want to pretend it does not exist (myself included).

Also, fans need to realize that if a rematch were to happen (wich I admit seems very unlikely at this point) just because one Spino dies does not mean there can not be another Spino in the movie. Even I want to see more Spinosauruses have more action and cool scenes besides the rematch.


Well, Id say that in a few days Spinosaurus is going to graduate to being the #2 controversial thing in this franchise lol

(yes referring to that massive FK plot twist which will be more public now bc the advanced screenings start tuesday)
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Jurassic World II Box office expectations
Nublar7

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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Jurassic World II Box office expectations    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeFri Mar 23, 2018 2:22 pm
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
Funny you mention the Avengers movies. I think we have to keep the possibility of Infinity War going on a rampage like Black Panther has been doing and how it might affect Fallen Kingdom.
Infinity War very well could go on a rampage like Black Panther because it is perhaps the biggest single event movie in years. Honestly when the year is all said and done, it is probably likely the Black Panther and Infinity War are #1 and #2 in some form. Unless we see another run like Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom will probably be finishing in the #3 spot, which is still amazing since #1 and #2 are likely to each gross $650 million+ domestically.

Anyways, with all that said, I don't see Infinity War having much of an impact on Fallen Kingdom directly. There is just too much of a gap between films and that gap only got bigger when they moved Infinity War up a week. When Fallen Kingdom hits theaters(in the US) that would be Infinity War's 9th weekend. It will be a spec on the radar by mid/end of June. For example Black Panther made $26 million last weekend and that was only week 5 for that film. By the time Black Panther hits weekend 9 it is probably only making $3-4 million. Even big event films like TFA($6 million) and JW($1.9 million) were no threat to anyone 9 weeks later.

I would say the worry wildcard is maybe Solo. I don't think that movie is going to do amazing because there seems to be minimal hype and anticipation even from most Star Wars fans. But because it is Star Wars I am sure it will still make a lot of money, just no where near the levels of TFA, Rogue One and TLJ. But even then, that's the 5th weekend for that film when FK comes out.

Deadpool 2 is 6 weeks before, so again shouldn't be much concern by June 22nd. Really I think the only major threat to put a dent in it is Incredibles 2. Its a different target audience than FK, but there is only so much money to go around that weekend and that movie imo will open huge the weekend before. But if Incredibles 2 maybe only makes like $90-100 million its opening weekend, then I think it could be possible that the potential for a $190-200 million weekend for FK could be on the table.

But I think $180 million is probably a more safer and realistic prediction. At least as of right now.

Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!
JD-man

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Search in: Dinosaur Jungles   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Mar 06, 2018 9:54 pm
My 44th review for this thread is a negative 1 for Miller/Blasing's Dinosaur George and the Paleonauts: Raptor Island. If you haven't already, I'd greatly appreciate you reading & voting "Yes" for said review in the bolded link below. Besides wanting to make sure said review gives a good idea of what to expect, it needs all the "Yes" votes it can get because it's outnumbered by opposing reviews (which don't give a good idea of what to expect). Many thanks in advance.

Bad dino doc + bad dino movie ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R1ANUT6L08H5CM/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv ): 1/5

Short version: As far as I know, most dino time travel books aren't meant to be educational. Of those that are, I recommend reading White's Dinosaur Hunter: The Ultimate Guide to the Biggest Game in conjunction with other, more educational books (E.g. Naish/Barrett's Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved). Miller/Blasing's Dinosaur George and the Paleonauts: Raptor Island (henceforth DG) fails at being either a decent educational book or a decent science fiction book.

Long version: Read on.

As you may remember, I said that Jurassic Fight Club is 1 of the worst dino docs ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R2FFY9S77ANRTK/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0810957981 ). Despite this, I originally thought that DG was going to be better than JFC given that dino books are usually better than dino docs. Boy, was I wrong about DG! Not only is DG as bad as JFC in some ways, but also as bad as the movie The Lost World: Jurassic Park (henceforth JP2) in other ways. In this review, I list the 4 main reasons why I think that is, besides the annoyingly-repetitive writing.*

1) In DG, George is the only well-defined/developed character, & not in a good way: He's basically an 18-year-old male version of Sarah Harding from JP2 (I.e. A "naive, impulsive paleontologist...whose dumb decisions constantly put the team in greater danger");** This is especially apparent when he 1st compares the Saichania's poor eyesight to that of rhinos, but then makes a sudden move; Similarly, in JP2, Sarah 1st explains "the dangers of the bull rex tracking the group with its powerful olfactory sense, but [then] brings the jacket coated in the infant's blood with her as they flee."** The other Paleonauts are just character archetypes. More specifically, Vince Witmer is "The Lancer", Lloyd Lance is "The Big Guy", Parker Holtz is "The Smart Guy", & Sonya Currie is "The Chick".** There's also Professor Stone & Dr. Morgan, but they're only in Chapter 1.

2) In some ways, DG's dromaeosaurs are better than JFC's (E.g. They're more fully feathered, though not entirely). In other ways, DG's dromaeosaurs are worse than JFC's (E.g. They have whip-like tails). In still other ways, they're about the same (E.g. They're "super persistent" predators of "impossibly large prey").** This is especially apparent in Chapter 8, when a pack of 30 flightless, blue jay-sized "mini-raptors" attack George over & over again despite being blasted with a surge gun & attacked by a 20-ft constrictor, among other things. Put another way, Chapter 8 is basically an extreme version of JP2's "Compy Attack" scene.

3) I have 2 major problems with DG's story: 1) It's dependent on the reader caring about the characters; See reason #1 above for why that's a major problem; 2) As indicated by its sub-title, DG mostly takes place on/around Raptor Island in Southern Asia, presumably the Gobi region given that that's where all the dinos are from; The problem is that's near the center of the continent, & it's not like Asia ever had an inland sea like the Western Interior Sea of North America; In other words, DG's story is dependent on a setting that could never have existed.

4) DG's text is hit-&-miss in terms of getting the facts straight. This is especially apparent in "PaleoFacts" because the misses stick out more with less text.*** However, the main text misses may be worse in degree: Like JFC's misses, some of DG's are due to being very outdated (E.g. Compare the Miller/Blasing quote to the Naish/Barrett quote; It's also worth mentioning that Sauropoda is a suborder or infraorder, not a family); Also like JFC's misses, some of DG's are due to being very nonsensical (E.g. "A creature, about the size of an owl, suddenly swooped down from its perch above and grabbed the lizard in midair. At first, George thought it must have been some sort of bird, but when it landed on the ground it quickly ran into the woods on only its back legs. It was no bird. It was a flying dinosaur!").

*E.g. The fact that George dislikes guns is stated 4 times in the span of 1 chapter, including twice in the same paragraph.

**Google "The Lost World: Jurassic Park (Film) - TV Tropes" & "Raptor Attack - TV Tropes" for reasons #1 & #2, respectively.

***In "PaleoFacts" alone, it's claimed that Nemegtosaurus was 7 m tall & 15.2 m long (More like 2.46 m tall & 12 m long), Saichania was 2.4 m tall (More like 1.3 m tall), Plesiosaurus was 7 m long & 3 tons (More like 3-5 m long & 150 kg), Plesiosaurus lived during the Late Cretaceous (It didn't), Bactrosaurus means "Bactrian lizard" (It doesn't), & Tylosaurus was 20 tons (More like 4.5 tons), among other things.

Quoting Miller/Blasing:
Quote :
George knew this species. His uncle taught him a lot growing up. Because of that, he knew by the end of the Jurassic Period nearly all members of the Sauropod family had become extinct. A few species managed to survive all the way to the end of the late Cretaceous Period when they, along with all other non-avian dinosaurs, became extinct. The majority of the long necks that survived into late Cretaceous were from the Titanosaurus family. Although not as large as their earlier cousins, they were still massive dinosaurs and among the largest living things on earth by the end of the Cretaceous Period.


Quoting Naish/Barrett (See Dinosaurs: How They Lived and Evolved):
Quote :
As recently as the 1990s it was thought that sauropods were a mostly Jurassic event and that they had largely disappeared by the Cretaceous. We now know that this view was completely inaccurate, and that sauropods were a major presence on many continents throughout much of the Cretaceous. And, rather than being stagnant or static in evolutionary terms, they were constantly evolving new anatomical features and new ways of cropping plants.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Jurassic World threatening Jurassic Park
deinocoop

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Jurassic World threatening Jurassic Park    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Feb 13, 2018 11:36 pm
Shocked

I know I sound crazy letting this out of my mouth: Afte reading this article which should probably be reported for criticizing a film that hasn't been released yet,

Why 'Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom' Looks Like A Terrible Idea

and seeing this video get posted on the internet...


I've got to ask this: who among these members feels the imposing threat that Jurassic World poses a threat to Jurassic Park? Granted, JW:FK isn't out until June, but apparently JW haters still do just about anything to get their emotionless monsters on a horror island back where they can milk it dry. In fact, these haters even go so far as to say "Jurassic Park should have been the only movie of it's kind, but oh no, Universal just had to make cliche sequels."

I can sort of see why after seeing the following provisos.

Rule #1: no tamed raptors. Apparently, haters want the JP raptors to stay monsters, despite the fact that if we can tame birds of prey, then these raptors are the stretch goal.

Rule #2: no guardians of the galaxy references, and their "super" Chris Pratt celebrity. I see where the haters are going here, since Owen Grady somehow outran a slow pyroclastic cloud (55 mph, but what do you expect out of a 2010's Hollywood cult?

Rule #3: no super hybrids. Apparently, haters hate the hybrids that are the mascots of Colin Trevorrow's take on the park, despite the fact that Dr. Wu's been hybridizing from the start, not to mention how regular dinosaurs get old pretty fast. Plus, don't forget how the Indoraptor has Jay Bayona fingerprints on it.

I'm just saying, haters who hate what the creators of FK are doing with JP5 shouldn't be making videos and/or posting articles about it, especially if they haven't seen the full movie it, and took notes of human kind's bad habits with modern animals.

Then again, that's just me. What do you guys think?
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Official Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Superbowl TV Spot Thread/Discussion :
Tyrant Lizard

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Search in: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Talk   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Official Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Superbowl TV Spot Thread/Discussion :    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSun Feb 04, 2018 8:54 pm
@Megatron wrote:
@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
Baby T.rex?

https://imgur.com/kregBGy

Could be an Allosaurus?


Could be. Could be anything, really.

To me, the anatomy and coloring more closely resembles a Tyrannosaur though, although I could just be telling myself that to alleviate my fear of my favorite dino being killed off Razz

Shot from the official dino list.

https://i.imgur.com/L8a90oE.png

edit: We also got those pics of the lego sets with an unidentified small brown carnivore that was colored almost exactly like the Rex.

edit #2: Here's a shot that Chris Pugh grabbed. He seems to think it's an Allo. Looks a bit more like it from this angle.
Spoiler:
 
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Raptor-related donations and edits
JD-man

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Search in: The Museum   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Raptor-related donations and edits    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Jan 16, 2018 3:11 am
I originally posted the following at deviantART ( https://jd-man.deviantart.com/journal/SD-Raptor-related-donations-and-edits-725863509 ).

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1stly, Scott Madsen needs help raising funds for "The Utahraptor Project" ( https://www.gofundme.com/utahraptor ). I'm spreading the word & giving Scott some money for 2 main reasons: 1) "Among the predators, at least six Utahraptors have been tentatively identified...two adults, each 5 to 6 meters in length; three juveniles about the size of turkeys; “and one that’s tiny, a little bitty baby with all the teeth in it — beautiful”" ( http://westerndigs.org/dinosaur-death-trap-found-in-utah-may-contain-raptor-family-horse-dragons-cannibalized-baby/ ); This is probably evidence of hawk-like gregariousness in Utahraptor (See "DevLog #24": https://jd-man.deviantart.com/journal/SD-The-Saurian-Dakotaraptor-could-be-better-707516300 ); 2) "The exposed bones also suggest that Utahraptor looked quite different from previous projections. While the juveniles are long and lanky in the classic raptor mold, the adult appears to have packed on mass to deal with bigger prey. “The front end of the jaw is unlike any other meat-eating dinosaur I’ve ever seen...It’s not just a blown-up Velociraptor. This thing is built like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Or a Sherman tank”" ( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/science/utah-paleontologists-turn-to-crowdfunding-for-raptor-project.html?mwrsm=Email ); This is especially apparent in Hartman's "new Utahraptor skeletal" ( http://www.skeletaldrawing.com/home/at-long-last-utahraptor ).



2ndly, my dino-building friend & fellow Facebooker, Chris Kastner ( https://www.facebook.com/ChrisKastner1982 ), needs help raising funds for his "Velociraptor Enclosure Rebuild" ( https://www.gofundme.com/velociraptor-enclosure-rebuild ). I'm spreading the word & giving Chris some money for 2 main reasons, besides the fact that he's a friend in need: 1) Chris provides a very important service (See "My name is Chris Kastner": http://prehistoricbeastoftheweek.blogspot.com/2013/10/chris-kastner-backyard-terrors-and.html ); 2) Chris is 1 of the best at providing said service (See "Question 10": http://prehistoricbeastoftheweek.blogspot.com/2015/10/return-to-backyard-terrors-and-dinosaur.html ).



3rdly, I recently edited "Career activity update #2!" ( https://jd-man.deviantart.com/journal/Career-activity-update-2-554028632 ) & "SD: The Saurian Dakotaraptor could be better" ( https://jd-man.deviantart.com/journal/SD-The-Saurian-Dakotaraptor-could-be-better-707516300 ), the original versions of which didn't say enough about their raptor-related awesomeness.

This journal entry is partly in honor of National Bird Day (which was on 1/5/17: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_Day#National_Bird_Day_(United_States) ), & partly in honor of Ostrom's 90th birthday (which is on 2/18/18: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ostrom ). Here's hoping everyone reading this journal entry spreads the word & gives Scott & Chris some money too.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: JD-man's Serious Dino Books/Dino-Related Reviews!
JD-man

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My 40th review for this thread is a negative 1 for Green's The Dinosaur Museum: An Unforgettable, Interactive Virtual Tour Through Dinosaur History. If you haven't already, I'd greatly appreciate you reading & voting "Yes" for said review in the bolded link below. Besides wanting to make sure said review gives a good idea of what to expect, it needs all the "Yes" votes it can get because it's outnumbered by opposing reviews (which don't give a good idea of what to expect). Many thanks in advance.

The worst dino museum in book form ( https://www.amazon.com/review/R1EIPWIOLMYAWT/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv ): 1/5

Short version: If you want the best dino museum book for older kids, get Abramson et al.'s Inside Dinosaurs. If you want the best dino museum books for younger kids, get Aliki's dino books & read them in conjunction with other, more recent books (E.g. Holtz's Dinosaurs).* Green's The Dinosaur Museum: An Unforgettable, Interactive Virtual Tour Through Dinosaur History (henceforth Museum #2) may be the worst children's dino museum book I've ever read.

Long version: Read on.

TripAdvisor Reviewers say that The Dinosaur Museum in Dorchester (henceforth Museum #1) is "the worst dinosaur museum", & based on their reviews & photos, I'm inclined to agree ( https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186263-d268146-r137214416-The_Dinosaur_Museum-Dorchester_Dorset_England.html ). In this review, I list the 4 main reasons why Museum #2 is similarly bad or worse while using "The Meat-Eaters" as the main example (See the back cover).

1) Like Museum #1, Museum #2 is lacking in real fossils & full of bad reconstructions: In reference to fossils, each chapter has 1 or 2 at most & only some of them are real (E.g. "The Meat-Eaters" has a replica Velociraptor claw & a real T.rex tooth); In reference to reconstructions, each chapter has at least 3 or 4 & they're shameless rip-offs of more famous reconstructions (E.g. The Iguanodon on the front cover is a shameless rip-off of the "Walking With Dinosaurs" Iguanodon), just plain outdated/abominable (E.g. The T.rex has pronated hands; Both of the Giganotosaurus are unrecognizable as such), or some combination of both (E.g. The Velociraptor is a shameless rip-off of the "Jurassic Park" Velociraptor with pronated hands & feathers that look more like yellow grass).

2) Like Museum #1's text, Museum #2's is hit-&-miss in terms of getting the facts straight. In "The Meat-Eaters", it's claimed that Velociraptor "charged after prey at up to 40 miles...per hour" (More like 24 mph), T.rex's "tiny front limbs may have helped it to stand up after lying down" (They didn't), "T.rex teeth had serrated...edges that could cut through flesh like steak knives" (They couldn't), & Giganotosaurus was 3 m high (More like 4 m high).

3) Like Museum #1's writing, Museum #2's is annoyingly vague. In fact, Museum #2's is even worse in that it's also annoyingly hyperbolic (E.g. See the Green quote for both vagueness & hyperbole) & repetitive (E.g. The word "terrify" is used 3 times in "The Meat-Eaters" alone).

4) Like Museum #1, Museum #2 is poorly-organized. Not only are the dino chapters scattered all over with no apparent rhyme or reason, but so are the dinos within each chapter. This is especially apparent in "The Meat-Eaters" (which features Velociraptor, Giganotosaurus, & T.rex) & "Small but Deadly" (which features Oviraptor, Troodon, Deinonychus, Coelophysis, & Compsognathus). Not only are the theropod chapters separated by ornithischian & sauropod chapters, but the theropods within each chapter are almost completely random. In other words, nothing in Museum #2 makes any chronological/phylogenetic/ecological/etc sense.**

*In reference to "Aliki's dino books", google "paleoaerie.org/tag/aliki/".

**In reference to "chronological/phylogenetic/ecological/etc sense", google "DINOSOURS! on tumblr. - Framing Fossil Exhibits - Framing".

Quoting Green:
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Giganotosaurus
Monster-size Giganotosaurus was probably even larger than T.rex. Its enormous jaws opened more than wide-enough to swallow you! Most likely it lunged at victims and took great bites of flesh with its sharp teeth. One twist of its sturdy neck could have ripped its victim limb from limb.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Unit ID's list and "new" Species
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Search in: JP: Operation Genesis   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Unit ID's list and "new" Species    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSat Aug 19, 2017 2:20 pm
Curiously, I haven't seen any talk about this anywhere and I feel that it's something that's been overlooked.

I don't know if this falls under useless, or potentially helpful. I typed this up a while back, because some mods include, or will include, "additional species" such as: Compies, Apato's, Mamenchi's, and so on. With equinox- tool making some things possible for JPOG's future, it appears that more species will be incoming down the road. It was done to make an attempt to at least give some individuality to those "new" species, and to provide a general Unit ID guide. Many numbers seemed to have gone unused, so someone could assign those numbers to a "new" species, so that they don't *flock with the default JPOG animals, or another new species.

*showing crown and flocking with another species

Some JPOG dinos, however, seem to have compatible Unit ID's with eachother for whatever reason, so they will flock even though they are not the same species and have different ID numbers.

Here's a list of combinations that I've found so far - Unit ID in ( ):

- Camara (37) and Brach (19)
- Para (17) and Cory (25)
- Stego (15) and Kentro (30)
- Tricera (18) and Styrac (27)
- Toro (28) and Styrac (27)
- Pachy (26) and Homalo (22)

And no, Tricera and Toro don't mix.

In other words, if your Apato (new species) is using ID #37 (Camara), they will flock with Brach or anything sharing those ID's. If you're like me (picky Razz), then you would prefer to have your Apato's and Mamenchi's flock with their own. If your animals are isolated within their enclosures in Park mode, then these obviously don't matter - but a mixed sauropod safari tour is too good to pass up!

Also, you probably don't want your Compies flocking with Dilo's and Raptor's.

So, here's what I've gathered so that others have some reference (**scrapped dino/available,* indicates not used/found ):  

JPOG Unit ID's
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If there are mistakes, feel free to make any corrections. Smile


Edit: Well, after checking some things, it looks like any new species can only be assigned the unused ID's from 7-35. Makes sense. It's better than nothing, I guess.

Edit #2: EchoGreen's comment reflected in ID list.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Favorite Internet Videos
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Celebrating 10 years of Doug Walker/The Nostalgia Critic.




His review of The Last Airbender, my personal favorite review, was #2 on this list.

Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Film Surveys
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[mention]Troyal1[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
It's all just so stupid. So very stupid.

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All I can say is like you. Atleast they spared him from becoming a fairy or some sh*t.


Yes indeed. But by what you told, him making fairy babies is almost as stupid as becoming one.

Were there other non-background humans left by the final season anymore?

[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
[mention]BarrytheOnyx[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
Oh, you love Gravity Falls too? Awesome Razz cheers


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Spoiler:
 


Just to add one thing

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[mention]BarrytheOnyx[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
Oh, you love Gravity Falls too? Awesome Razz cheers

I hope Alex Hirsch returns some day, maybe in five years or something, to make some "specials" like he has hypothesized of maybe doing, but in any case I'm glad he managed to bring the entire story arc neatly together in the 2 season run. Admittedly it was borderline frustrating how Disney placed the episodes here and there months and months away from each other.


I think most people would say that the two seasons we got were perfect and nigh sacrosanct, so adding to that in a whole other season could sully that beloved self-contained entity. However, I would like to see Hirsch make a series of 30 minute, self-contained, individual televised "specials" that depict the characters' lives after the events in the show, those have the potential to be very funny and charming, a bit like the Wallace & Gromit shorts in the UK, or the Toy Story shorts. To me, the potential is there if the crew and cast (no spoilers for those who haven't seen the show or its ending!), should they want to return.

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I don't think anyone thinks another whole season is to ever happen again. Not Hirsch, who clearly has given it everything he got. Not audiences either. And Disney, even if they ever wanted another one, I'm not sure they were particularly satisfied with season 2 rating to grant another run. And Hirsch wouldn't agree to fully return anyway, and without him it'd be no-go. He's not there for cash, but for the artistic value of the show. I really respect him for that.

Those potential 'specials' would be one off(s) me thinks. Dipper and Mabel in their teens / early adulthood, returning to GF and meeting everybody else grown up and aged, would be neat. Maybe Dipper would finally have a chance with Wendy lol Laughing

Spoiler:
 
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Game of thrones Discussion.
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Search in: Off-Topic Discussions   Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Game of thrones Discussion.    Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeWed Apr 05, 2017 7:27 am
[mention]Troyal1[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Troyal1[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
Nr {#}2{/#} here too, but it was inevitable from all the lore you got from season 1 already.

Ser Barristan's death was probably the most pointless, because
A) That's not what happened in the books at all (not that I've read them but his fate was more interesting)
B) What exactly did his character achieve between seasons 3-5? His arch really ended in season 1 already, they stopped developing him after that. He became just another counselor that was there. But instead of doing something with him they just ended up killing him anyway many seasons later for no reason.

Second worst is Pycelle. Poor Pycelle. 6 seasons with most of the development in season 1-2 and then again he's just there until pointlessly killed in season 6 finale. In pretty unimaginative way anyway.

The third worst are the pointless minor character shock deaths.


I hate those as well. I liked both of their characters alot. I also thought it made no sense to not just let Pycelle go the Sept, and get blown up with everyone else. Just to have him die at the hands of kids. Maybe to make it more personal? IDK but the kids killing him made me laugh.


It was also stupid how Pycelle's season 1 finale revelation never paid off whatsoever in later episodes, but rather was completely forgotten

There are many side characters that were developed in some episodes, but then completely forgotten and usually killed off for no reason. I think they might have had too many writers and directors in the mix at times.

Anyway, I can't lie, there are still many many amazing and satisfying deaths, even in these later seasons. None of them really pass of what I consider be the greatest death scene ever, Titus Pullo killing Cicero in Rome*, but many are still pretty great. Even beyond the plain obvious ones (Red Wedding, Ned Stark, Oberyn etc)

*Cicero death  cheers
Spoiler:
 

Can you remind me what the revelation was? I forgot


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@Mistral wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
@Mistral wrote:
Nr #2 here too, but it was inevitable from all the lore you got from season 1 already.

Ser Barristan's death was probably the most pointless, because
A) That's not what happened in the books at all (not that I've read them but his fate was more interesting)
B) What exactly did his character achieve between seasons 3-5? His arch really ended in season 1 already, they stopped developing him after that. He became just another counselor that was there. But instead of doing something with him they just ended up killing him anyway many seasons later for no reason.

Second worst is Pycelle. Poor Pycelle. 6 seasons with most of the development in season 1-2 and then again he's just there until pointlessly killed in season 6 finale. In pretty unimaginative way anyway.

The third worst are the pointless minor character shock deaths.


I hate those as well. I liked both of their characters alot. I also thought it made no sense to not just let Pycelle go the Sept, and get blown up with everyone else. Just to have him die at the hands of kids. Maybe to make it more personal? IDK but the kids killing him made me laugh.


It was also stupid how Pycelle's season 1 finale revelation never paid off whatsoever in later episodes, but rather was completely forgotten

There are many side characters that were developed in some episodes, but then completely forgotten and usually killed off for no reason. I think they might have had too many writers and directors in the mix at times.

Anyway, I can't lie, there are still many many amazing and satisfying deaths, even in these later seasons. None of them really pass of what I consider be the greatest death scene ever, Titus Pullo killing Cicero in Rome*, but many are still pretty great. Even beyond the plain obvious ones (Red Wedding, Ned Stark, Oberyn etc)

*Cicero death  cheers
Spoiler:
 

Can you remind me what the revelation was? I forgot
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Game of thrones Discussion.
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[mention]Troyal1[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Mistral[/mention] wrote:
Nr {#}2{/#} here too, but it was inevitable from all the lore you got from season 1 already.

Ser Barristan's death was probably the most pointless, because
A) That's not what happened in the books at all (not that I've read them but his fate was more interesting)
B) What exactly did his character achieve between seasons 3-5? His arch really ended in season 1 already, they stopped developing him after that. He became just another counselor that was there. But instead of doing something with him they just ended up killing him anyway many seasons later for no reason.

Second worst is Pycelle. Poor Pycelle. 6 seasons with most of the development in season 1-2 and then again he's just there until pointlessly killed in season 6 finale. In pretty unimaginative way anyway.

The third worst are the pointless minor character shock deaths.


I hate those as well. I liked both of their characters alot. I also thought it made no sense to not just let Pycelle go the Sept, and get blown up with everyone else. Just to have him die at the hands of kids. Maybe to make it more personal? IDK but the kids killing him made me laugh.


It was also stupid how Pycelle's season 1 finale revelation never paid off whatsoever in later episodes, but rather was completely forgotten

There are many side characters that were developed in some episodes, but then completely forgotten and usually killed off for no reason. I think they might have had too many writers and directors in the mix at times.

Anyway, I can't lie, there are still many many amazing and satisfying deaths, even in these later seasons. None of them really pass of what I consider be the greatest death scene ever, Titus Pullo killing Cicero in Rome*, but many are still pretty great. Even beyond the plain obvious ones (Red Wedding, Ned Stark, Oberyn etc)

*Cicero death  cheers
Spoiler:
 
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Game of thrones Discussion.
Troyal1

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@Mistral wrote:
Nr #2 here too, but it was inevitable from all the lore you got from season 1 already.

Ser Barristan's death was probably the most pointless, because
A) That's not what happened in the books at all (not that I've read them but his fate was more interesting)
B) What exactly did his character achieve between seasons 3-5? His arch really ended in season 1 already, they stopped developing him after that. He became just another counselor that was there. But instead of doing something with him they just ended up killing him anyway many seasons later for no reason.

Second worst is Pycelle. Poor Pycelle. 6 seasons with most of the development in season 1-2 and then again he's just there until pointlessly killed in season 6 finale. In pretty unimaginative way anyway.

The third worst are the pointless minor character shock deaths.


I hate those as well. I liked both of their characters alot. I also thought it made no sense to not just let Pycelle go the Sept, and get blown up with everyone else. Just to have him die at the hands of kids. Maybe to make it more personal? IDK but the kids killing him made me laugh.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Game of thrones Discussion.
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Nr {#}2{/#} here too, but it was inevitable from all the lore you got from season 1 already.

Ser Barristan's death was probably the most pointless, because
A) That's not what happened in the books at all (not that I've read them but his fate was more interesting)
B) What exactly did his character achieve between seasons 3-5? His arch really ended in season 1 already, they stopped developing him after that. He became just another counselor that was there. But instead of doing something with him they just ended up killing him anyway many seasons later for no reason.

Second worst is Pycelle. Poor Pycelle. 6 seasons with most of the development in season 1-2 and then again he's just there until pointlessly killed in season 6 finale. In pretty unimaginative way anyway.

The third worst are the pointless minor character shock deaths.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: What would it take from JP5...
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Well, from my perspective, it is impossible to overtake JP in the {#}1{/#} spot, and that goes for any flick in the world. There is absolutely no question about that. It is in the league of it's own.

So right at the start the highest possible position for JP5 to achieve is {#}2{/#}. Now, given that I don't really love TLW, in fact not even think of it as great film but merely as "alright", you'd think such feat to not that difficult of a task at all. And in a way, it isn't. What you just need is a good solid sit through that I enjoy and that I can see enjoying years later. However, TLW even with it's faults, at least has all the excuses of being the very first sequel. JP5 does not have the same liberties. So even if the new film would have flawless execution in every other area of film making, be it in cinematography and characters and action and effects and whatever else, if the old "island dinosaur escape" and other very much rehashed theme lines from the 90's are there again in any meaningful form, it will rank immediately below the {#}2{/#} spot. I do not appreciate seeing the same thing over and over again - something needs to happen finally to break off the generic formula chains. That is the benchmark of reaching number {#}2{/#}. On top of that almost all of the aspects that made me hate JW would have to be removed and turned into workable solutions, including technical aspects which means making it look like a film and not video game. And from everything I've seen of the production and rumored premise so far, it strongly suggests that there needs to be a miracle to reach this level. I suppose it's still possible, it's not really asking *that much*, but I'm not believing in it.

Now, spot {#}3{/#} is the hot seat. This is the realistic best chance as far as I'm concerned, and I said the same for JW when the new park premise was leaked for the first time. To beat JP3, but still rank below TLW, I merely need a competent film. There can be semi-serious flaws in places, but not so much that one can make giant list of them. What you need first off is decent coherent plot and themes that actually move the series ahead as whole and have some sort of meaning, even if it's minor. On top of that, likeable characters, proper animatronics, no in-your-face fanservice, and canon/continuum of TLW/JP3 should not be totally ignored again. The Nublar return would have to be only a very minor part.

For {#}4{/#}, the requirements really aren't that high. Just something generic that resembles somewhat/barely passable product there or thereabouts. I don't know what else to add there.

Finally to be in the last position {#}5{/#} would require it to be total and utter garbage. It's yet unclear to me how this could be managed to be achieved.
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Best & Worst Comedic moment of each film
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[mention]Tyrant Lizard[/mention] wrote:
Best: Before the raptor attack at the village, when Malcolm calls "Nick Van Owen!" in reference to Nick calling "Sarah Harding!" when they first arrived on Sorna.


Haha that was a great one, I had somehow forgotten it. I would put it as my number {#}2{/#} after the yawn. Third best would either be the King Lear poster starring Schwarzenegger, or "San Diego County Dept of Animal Care & Control" car

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Worst: Pretty much anything from the scene where Claire and Owen meet up for the first time.


That's the only scene in the film I didn't have any problems with Laughing
Topics tagged under 2 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Multiskinning tutorial by Docszoo
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Another one from Modding Genesis.

Docszoo wrote:
If you allready know how to put skins in game, skip down to the big bold letters.
SUGGESTED TOOLS: HxD, ConvertCCT, and DDS Converter 2.

Now, as you all may know, multiple skinning can prove to be difficult, even if you follow all of ERC's Multi-skinning tutorial. One of the things that most frustrated me was when I would continually add blank skins so that I could put a new skin in-game, and the skin would show up blank (or white). This tutorial gives you an alternate route to receiving the correct skin types.

Warning: This, like all multi-skinning, gets rid of the dead skins. In other words, the dead skin will look white.

To start out, you must know the basics of how the TML is set up. There are about 19 parts in an unmodded TML file:


    The HeaderThe # of skins(usually labled 06)The 3rd dinosaurs dead skin header](usually labled 05)The 3rd Dinosaur's Dead Skin ThreadThe 3rd dinosaurs live skin header (usually labled 04)The 3rs Dinosaur's Live Skin ThreadThe 2nd dinosaurs dead skin header(usually labled 03)The 2nd dinosaurs dead skin threadThe 2nd dinosaurs live skin header(usually labled 02)The 2nd dinosaurs live skin threadThe 1st dinosaurs dead skin header(usually labled 01)The 1st dinosaurs dead skin threadThe 1st dinosaurs live skin header(usually labled 00)The 1st dinosaurs live skin threadNumber of listed dinosaur names(usually 03)Dinosaur 1's NameDinosaur 2's NameDinosaur 3's NameFooter.


Here it is, in picture form. Notice that there are not just 3 types of dinosaurs, but 7 skins. This one has been modyfied. Use your best judgement on unmodified ones.
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All the colored parts are the important parts of what you mess with. Also, if you take care to notice, everything is color coded to match the sections at the top. Colors were matched to the best of my ability, but you should excuse my colorblindness if it is messed up. As you have probably known, the tml is extremly long. In the pictures above, I have shortened it so as to show the important parts, and what the different sections look like. Between all the headers, you will see a list of ÿÿ's as you quickly go down the list. Notice how they are the same in each skin thread (the same colums), but has different position on different skins. Use this when scrolling through the skins code to find the important parts.

Once you have figured out there is actually very little data to truly mess with, putting skins in-game becomes easy, and multiple skins becomes understandable.

So, you wanna new skin for a new dinosaur huh? Well, you must do some things first.
On the 3 dinosaur names, you must make the dead skin seperate from the live skin. You do this by copying the existing name, and paste it under it. Instead of having just the dino's short name, insert a 2 after the name. Make sure you do not ADD a 2, but replace the end with a 2. This means instead of having two period after the dinos name, you have a -2. If you have 4 periods after a dino’s name, it will have a -2 and the two period. For example, a modyfied Morrison B tml should look like this:


    ....Brach...........................Brach-2........................Camara........................Camara-2.....................Dilopho........................Dilopho-2..................


*do not copy that: it has the wrong amount of periods. Remember, the data goes by 4's.*
Also, if you notice, all the names have 4 periods before each name begins. You MUST remember to make them either four periods from the start, or eight. All of them must be constant. I have told people this countless of times, and it is one of the most common mistakes people make.

You got this far, but the tml STILL does not work. That is because you need to change the Number of listed dinosaur names(usually 03) to a 06. In the image, it is in a black box. change it from 03 to 06.

Now, the tml should be ready for multi skinning.

Ok, so you got this skin that you put into the dds converter. You open it in the hex editor (in a new tab, and it is JUST the DDS), and you see the letters DDS at the very start of the long coding. This is the start of the skin THREAD. Everything before this:


    ....€..........B......ÿÿ..C.


is the header data. [Look at the blue parts of the picture] Since this part is missing from your newly developed DDS, you must locate it’s corresponding dinosaur’s header data from the tml. It must be from the live skin (if you are making a live skin). So, go and find that part. Do find it easiest, what I like to do is to go to SEARCH > FIND. Type in "DDS". It will bring you to the first one, which happens to be the dinosaur 3's dead skin, right next to the header data of the TML. Use the next button. You will find another “DDS” set of letters. This is dinosaur 3’s live skin. If this is your model, copy the header data, and paste it before the DDS on your new skin’s DDS. If dinosaur 3 is not the dinosaur you want, keep searching for the live skin of that model (use the list provided). Once the header is found and inserted (not deleting any data of the DDS), copy your WHOLE DDS data set (right click > Select all), and paste it before the dead dino’s skin header. There. You have just learned the hardest part about multiple skinning.

Now, for the finishing touches. As you know, the list of dinosaur threads is backwards from the dinosaur lists at the footer. So, placing the skin before skin "05" means this skin is skin "06". This is the number your replace the 05 with. Then, go down to the footer, and copy that live skins name (the 4 dots before, the name, and dots after it, and the line below that) and paste it without replacing other data as the last skin on that list. For example, it should look like this:


    ....Brach...........................Brach-2......................Camara.......................Camara-2..................Diloph......................Diloph-2............... ....Diplo.......................


So, be it a new dinosaur, or a new skin for an old dinosaur, replace the name with the new one (do not erase anything; you must keep the same amount of periods). So, lets say your new dino's name is Diplo, short for Diplodicus. You notice that Camara and Diplo does not have the same amount of Letters. Since you must keep the same amount of data, find the number of extra letters in the original skin name (which in the example is 1 extra letter in camara). Copy and INSERT one period after the end of the new name. You have the name of your new skin. However, that is not all.

Remember when you put a 2 after every skin? There was a number changed in the amount of listed skin (from 03 to 06). To cope with the new skin, replace that 06 with an 07 at the header area of the tml. Do the same for that total number of skins (from 06 to 07) at the footer right before the dino list. These are both black squares on the picture.

Ok, one more step, and then you are done with adding the new skin. Copy and replace the following data with the old footer (find the first number , which comes 4 periods (or 00's) after the first letter of the last skin):

Code:
03 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 01 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 02 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 03 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 04 00 00 00 05 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 05 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 06 00 00 00


ERC somehow made this work. Don't ask me how she did, but this will always be needed for any multi-skin, no matter the number. This set happens to be for 7 skins.

This seems all good and dandy, but what if you want to add more than just 7 skins? Well, besides the number totals, the only thing needed to be changed (or in this case, added) is the footer.

There is a simple way of determining what do do. Look at the following from the previous footer:

Code:
05 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 05 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 03 00 01 00 06 00 00 00


Notice a pattern? Well, you better. It begins with 05, and three 00's. Then, an 03 00 01 00. Then it repeats the first part. Now, look at the remainder. The only difference is a 6 rather than a 5. There is the secret to making 7+ skins on one tml. However, when you get to 10 skins, you do not put the total as a 1-0. You put it as a 0A for 10 skins, and a 0B for eleven skins.

Once you pasted that in, you are done with the tml. Add all the NWT, INI, and INX files with the new skin's info, and add the new skin's data to the eng.txt in the GUI. Open the game, and test him out.

[size=200]HERE IS WHERE THE SKIN REASSIGNMENT BEGINS[/size]

So, you open the game, all excited to see your new creation. You put in a hatchery, flip through the dinosaur's, and you find this blank (white) model where your new dinosaur is suppose to go. Just so you know, this happens to EVERYBODY. ERC suggests adding new blank skins to get this to work. Personally, it helps only every now and then. What I do is something a little different.

The skin listing: It shows the order of the skins backwords, according to the placement of the dds skin information. However, the dead skins, once added a 2 to every one, are not non-existant. The game does not properly recongize them. This can be looked at in two ways:

1. I can't see the zomby looking body any more, oh noes...
2. Hey, since these slots are now dead, maybe re-ordering the skins will make my new one come alive!!!

Personally, I don't care much for that "living dead" cheat. Who cares about dead skins when you can have new live ones!

If you are using HxD, you will notice that there are tabs in the top near the menu bar. Click file, and press new. You will go to a screen which you see no data. It should look like this:

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Click your tml file. Go to LIVE-Skin-Header #3. Copy EVERYTHING before this skin's number
to the number of your DEAD-Skin-Header #3.

Go to your new tab, right click and press paste insert. All of the letters should look red.

When you are still on that new tab, click File > Save as. The name should be Untitled 1. Erase that and lable it DEAD _______(put the dinosaur's name there). There, now you will allways have a backup of this dinosaur's skin.

Go back to the tml, right click on your highlighted part. Press cut. This will make it easier on you when you are trying to copy and paste everything out of the tml. I call this dissecting the tml.

Press File > New. Again, you should see a new tab. This should be called "Untitled 3".

This time, go to DEAD-Skin-Header #2, and copy everything before this skin's number, until you reach the LIVE-Skin-Header #3. Copy all that, and paste it into the newest tab. Press File > Save as, and call it LIVE_______(put the dinosaur's name there). Go back to the tml and cut the highlighted part.

Do this for EVERY SINGLE skin.

Once done, your original tml should look like this, with ALL the skins as tabs.

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With tmls, the dead skin usually comes before every live skin. For this example, since Dilpo is fairly far off from it's dead counterpart, you will need to reange the tml. Open a new tab. Copy the original header data and total # of skins from the original tml and paste them onto the new tab.

Now Go ahead and copy/ paste the first tml (the LIVE-BRACH) as it would normally occur. The number of it does not need to be changed. Do the same for it's dead skin. This number does not need to be changed either.

Copy and paste the new dino's tml. On it's header, it should say "06". Put a 2 instead of the 6. Remember this order.

Copy and paste the live skin of this dino next (in other words, above this new skin). Rename it 03 instead of 02, because the new skin is taking up that slot.

Do this for EVERY skin, renaming and pasting above.

Once done doing this, go to the original tml and copy/ paste the footer onto the bottom of your new tml. However, this order has been switched. Instead of:


    ....Brach...........................Brach-2.........................Camara..........................Camara-2........................Dilopho.........................Dilopho-2.......................Diplo...........................


it should look like:


    ....Brach...........................Brach-2.........................Diplo...............................Camara..........................Camara-2........................Dilopho.........................Dilopho-2...................


Once this is done, open up the game. Look at where you put the dinosaur. If it is still white, move the dinosaur to a different spot, using the same procedure.

If it worked, and every other skin came up correctly, you have succeeded.

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@CaptainNoodles wrote:
RaptorLover0823 wrote:
@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
I was cleaning my old aquarium and I started feel bad about it. I was a kid and earned 3 fishes, they all died in 7 months bc I was so dumb and ignorant. I killed them. I killed 3 lifes. I know it's so long ago, and some ppl will say "they're just fish" but for me it still hurts. It hurts my ignorance took 3 lifes. Just bc it's a fish doesn't mean their lifes aren't valuable. I would say they matter the same as my life.


You have no idea... 28. It wasn't until the last aquarium (#2 out of 6) emptied that I realized what I have been doing is inhumane. Only a few animals lasted more than 3 years.


At last, finally, someone who appreciates fish.

I have a 90 gallon tank and collectively maintain 110 gallons of water.  But I wouldn't call fish keeping inherently inhumane any more than having a pet dog or cat.  Sorry to hear about the losses though. Sad

There's probably a reason the fish didn't last more than three years.  I've had fish live longer than their actual listed lifespan, with one tetra in particular lasting through 2 hurricanes and six years total.  If anyone wants any advice on fishkeeping, feel free to PM me.  Have about 15 years experience with various types of fish, including aggressive, large, and venomous.

I'm a member of a forum and am more or less known as the fish doctor because of my knowledge of illnesses and antibiotics.  So if anyone wants advice, I'm open.  I urge anyone looking to get back into the hobby to do so - we don't look down upon others who don't know as much, as we just want to make sure your fish are happy and healthy.

@Spino, it's never just a fish.  I had a betta for about a year who was a rescue (as in rescued from bad condtions) and I loved that fish so much I buried it with a potted plant outside.  Cried for days.


I cried for days also when my fish died. I plan to have a betta latter, never had one and they look beautiful and interesting to have.
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RaptorLover0823 wrote:
@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
I was cleaning my old aquarium and I started feel bad about it. I was a kid and earned 3 fishes, they all died in 7 months bc I was so dumb and ignorant. I killed them. I killed 3 lifes. I know it's so long ago, and some ppl will say "they're just fish" but for me it still hurts. It hurts my ignorance took 3 lifes. Just bc it's a fish doesn't mean their lifes aren't valuable. I would say they matter the same as my life.


You have no idea... 28. It wasn't until the last aquarium (#2 out of 6) emptied that I realized what I have been doing is inhumane. Only a few animals lasted more than 3 years.


At last, finally, someone who appreciates fish.

I have a 90 gallon tank and collectively maintain 110 gallons of water.  But I wouldn't call fish keeping inherently inhumane any more than having a pet dog or cat.  Sorry to hear about the losses though. Sad

There's probably a reason the fish didn't last more than three years.  I've had fish live longer than their actual listed lifespan, with one tetra in particular lasting through 2 hurricanes and six years total.  If anyone wants any advice on fishkeeping, feel free to PM me.  Have about 15 years experience with various types of fish, including aggressive, large, and venomous.

I'm a member of a forum and am more or less known as the fish doctor because of my knowledge of illnesses and antibiotics.  So if anyone wants advice, I'm open.  I urge anyone looking to get back into the hobby to do so - we don't look down upon others who don't know as much, as we just want to make sure your fish are happy and healthy.

@Spino, it's never just a fish.  I had a betta for about a year who was a rescue (as in rescued from bad condtions) and I loved that fish so much I buried it with a potted plant outside.  Cried for days.
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