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PostSubject: Nublar map   Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:35 pm

Hi, just wondering if anyone has ever made up a map of Nublar which shows the events from both JP and JW on the one map? Pretty curious to see where everything is located.
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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:46 pm

Don't think so. I know there are maps of Isla Nublar that have the events of the first film on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:49 pm

Not yet. We're still working on that at Jurassic-Pedia.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:23 pm

Jurassic Park's events have been mostly transcribed to the map. I am reluctant to do any others because of how problematic the island becomes for Jurassic World. It throws a monkey wrench into things basically.

http://jurassic-pedia.com/isla-nublar/

I included both maps with and without JP:TG locations since the game has become dubious mostly due to Jurassic World's presence.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:20 pm

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Not yet. We're still working on that at Jurassic-Pedia.

@TyrannosaurTJ wrote:
Jurassic Park's events have been mostly transcribed to the map. I am reluctant to do any others because of how problematic the island becomes for Jurassic World. It throws a monkey wrench into things basically.

http://jurassic-pedia.com/isla-nublar/

I included both maps with and without JP:TG locations since the game has become dubious mostly due to Jurassic World's presence.

To be honest, it's stuff like this is why I still wish that we were getting a movie that took place between JP3 and JW.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:44 pm

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@CT-1138 wrote:
Not yet. We're still working on that at Jurassic-Pedia.

@TyrannosaurTJ wrote:
Jurassic Park's events have been mostly transcribed to the map. I am reluctant to do any others because of how problematic the island becomes for Jurassic World. It throws a monkey wrench into things basically.

http://jurassic-pedia.com/isla-nublar/

I included both maps with and without JP:TG locations since the game has become dubious mostly due to Jurassic World's presence.

To be honest, it's stuff like this is why I still wish that we were getting a movie that took place between JP3 and JW.

I do wish Uni had more of an iron grip on the continuity like LucasFilm has the story group for Star Wars. It would cut back on the "fan theories" like the Raptors being responsible on the Venture in TLW, wacky head canons like the infant from TLW being the Rex killed by the Spinosaurus, and other stupid assertions.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:19 pm

@TyrannosaurTJ wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@CT-1138 wrote:
Not yet. We're still working on that at Jurassic-Pedia.

@TyrannosaurTJ wrote:
Jurassic Park's events have been mostly transcribed to the map. I am reluctant to do any others because of how problematic the island becomes for Jurassic World. It throws a monkey wrench into things basically.

http://jurassic-pedia.com/isla-nublar/

I included both maps with and without JP:TG locations since the game has become dubious mostly due to Jurassic World's presence.

To be honest, it's stuff like this is why I still wish that we were getting a movie that took place between JP3 and JW.

I do wish Uni had more of an iron grip on the continuity like LucasFilm has the story group for Star Wars. It would cut back on the "fan theories" like the Raptors being responsible on the Venture in TLW, wacky head canons like the infant from TLW being the Rex killed by the Spinosaurus, and other stupid assertions.

I just think that Universal really doesn't care about the franchise like they did in 1990's. I also think that the 'The Lost World' was the last movie that they really cared about. And even if they did care, it would kind of be too late since the rights go back to the Crichton estate after JP6/JW3.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:40 am

Yeah, I'm feeling the same. It's unfortunate how Universal (and a lot of others that are licensed) handled the Jurassic franchise in the end. The recurring theme here is like, especially with Hasbro when it came to the JW toys, we continually getting a disservice towards it in a lot of respects from whoever is carrying the license. Part apathy, but also part "I'm going to screw around with this because lol, I can" type of thought I get the feeling of.

That said, it's good for the fans to want to help it, but there's way too much personal investment and pushing of what they feel the Jurassic series should be instead of what it actually is. People overwhelming overlook the source material because they like the idea of the animals spontaneously evolving massive differences in at least a 4 to 8 year stretch of time. Evolution is a fast and constant replicating system, but biomechanically when you look at the Raptors between JP/TLW and JP3 it would not be like that unless there is an artificial inducement of it. Even then that would still push credence for the version numbers argument which is adapted from the source.

A lot of the problem though is that's why we have things like the Spinosaurus skeleton in JW being the same animal from JP3 even though everything is wrong and off about it or we have things like the Raptors being responsible for the death of the crew on the Venture when such a major plot point or setup would have been shown for one and two is disputed by comments from Koepp in interviews along with a statement in the film from an InGen Employee saying that the Male Rex was the only one on the boat. These ideas while great for fan fiction and adding another element are entirely problematic when it comes to showing everything as we see it and going forward with that.

The goal of the Encyclopedia wasn't really to dictate canon, it was meant to categorize, showcase the differences, and break it down so it wasn't as messy as it was. Back in 2000 if you asked for a Nublar species list, people would come in and show you the novels species list and that would be your answer. Nevermind the fact the films were so different from the novels in the first place. Unfortunately the repercussion with the encyclopedia has encouraged fans to get high and mighty about their opinion and they've missed what the encyclopedia meant to do. Categorize and Organize. I can only hope we can come back to that in the end.

I'd love for the franchise to go back to the formula Crichton envisioned after he received feedback while making his original novel of a "mature dinosaur story" and then the mission Spielberg went with by establishing the dinosaurs as animals alone and not as monsters.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:27 pm

@TyrannosaurTJ wrote:
Yeah, I'm feeling the same. It's unfortunate how Universal (and a lot of others that are licensed) handled the Jurassic franchise in the end. The recurring theme here is like, especially with Hasbro when it came to the JW toys, we continually getting a disservice towards it in a lot of respects from whoever is carrying the license. Part apathy, but also part "I'm going to screw around with this because lol, I can" type of thought I get the feeling of.

That said, it's good for the fans to want to help it, but there's way too much personal investment and pushing of what they feel the Jurassic series should be instead of what it actually is. People overwhelming overlook the source material because they like the idea of the animals spontaneously evolving massive differences in at least a 4 to 8 year stretch of time. Evolution is a fast and constant replicating system, but biomechanically when you look at the Raptors between JP/TLW and JP3 it would not be like that unless there is an artificial inducement of it. Even then that would still push credence for the version numbers argument which is adapted from the source.

A lot of the problem though is that's why we have things like the Spinosaurus skeleton in JW being the same animal from JP3 even though everything is wrong and off about it or we have things like the Raptors being responsible for the death of the crew on the Venture when such a major plot point or setup would have been shown for one and two is disputed by comments from Koepp in interviews along with a statement in the film from an InGen Employee saying that the Male Rex was the only one on the boat. These ideas while great for fan fiction and adding another element are entirely problematic when it comes to showing everything as we see it and going forward with that.

The goal of the Encyclopedia wasn't really to dictate canon, it was meant to categorize, showcase the differences, and break it down so it wasn't as messy as it was. Back in 2000 if you asked for a Nublar species list, people would come in and show you the novels species list and that would be your answer. Nevermind the fact the films were so different from the novels in the first place. Unfortunately the repercussion with the encyclopedia has encouraged fans to get high and mighty about their opinion and they've missed what the encyclopedia meant to do. Categorize and Organize. I can only hope we can come back to that in the end.

I'd love for the franchise to go back to the formula Crichton envisioned after he received feedback while making his original novel of a "mature dinosaur story" and then the mission Spielberg went with by establishing the dinosaurs as animals alone and not as monsters.

I really think that the JP franchise needs a Kevin Feige type of person who knows what they are doing and can build up the franchise. Spielberg was kind of like that, but as you told me via PM, he didn't because he didn't want it to take over his career like Star Wars did with his friend Lucas. Since TLW, the franchise has been like a ghost ship, drifting here and there depending on the currents. Yes, it has some direction now, but it's still missing a lot of things.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:21 pm

Spielberg is a movie director and I really don't blame him for making the decision to go forward with that feeling or notion instead of running with a franchise and being known for it like Lucas was. I really think the problem here is the back handed treatment JP got because Spielberg shut everything down and didn't want to always focus on it instead of allowing certain projects through. I think the reason for that was basically what happened to the Jaws franchise after he passed it. He was trying to prevent it from going there and JP3 I think was a shock to the system and thus why the near decade of inactivity we had between JP3 and JW. Simultaneously reading a lot of the making of material I noticed he approached both JP and TLW as a challenge with them. I think that's why he passed on the third was because there was no challenge there at least any he could see, but he got more hands on with JW because he wanted a good or decent story where JP3 was lacking.

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PostSubject: Re: Nublar map   Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:23 pm

I think Lucas is just a bad writer and director in general. I've argued with Scott Borek back on JPLegacy about how much he was involved in the writing of ESB, and I still maintain that it's because of Lucas' lesser involvement in the writing process that the movie is so strong. I believe the dialogue is stronger because it went through some extra hands before going into production. Lucas as even admitted that he hates the writing process. And that he finds the directorial process cumbersome. I've always thought Lucas was poor at dialogue and that he can't muster emotion from his actors. Spielberg, on the other hand, is very good in the director's chair, and works well with the actors and the dialogue. The biggest difference between Lucas and Spielberg is that Lucas makes movies for himself, while Spielberg makes movies for audiences. The one time that Spielberg played a Lucas and edited one of his own movies, the backlash was so great that Spielberg ended up regretting it and swore off from ever changing any of his other movies in any way ever again. It's the reason we'll never get an extended edition of the JP trilogy with all the deleted scenes and stuff back in.

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