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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:54 pm

This meme is officially out of control...it's chaos at it's worst - CHAOS, I TELLS YA!



https://variety.com/2018/film/news/jeff-goldblum-statue-london-jurassic-park-25th-anniversary-1202876886/


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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:17 pm

NowTV were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:41 am

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NowTV were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should Laughing

Goldblum memes, uh, find a way. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:26 am

^Someone should call Sam Neil and tell him to recreate that gif Laughing

On a more serious note, here's some early concept art of the Indoraptor. Dilophosaurus/Monolophosaurus DNA?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlQx3FwgmUR/
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:32 am

@Dv-218 wrote:
^Someone should call Sam Neil and tell him to recreate that gif Laughing

On a more serious note, here's some early concept art of the Indoraptor. Dilophosaurus/Monolophosaurus DNA?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlQx3FwgmUR/

Oh my God that design looks amazing! They could have given it the spitting ability too if it had dilo DNA.

Why did they cut all this cool stuff!?
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:20 pm

New Fallen Kingdom MONDO poster:

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:02 pm

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom passed the $400M domestic mark after grossing $1.02M on Wednesday. 41-Day total stands at $400.79M.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:46 am

Two new videos from the upcoming BluRay of Fallen Kingdom:




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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:23 am

So I just came across a thread on Twitter of people accusing Colin of his films being "toxic and hateful to women". Trying to wrap my head around this one.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:47 pm

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So I just came across a thread on Twitter of people accusing Colin of his films being "toxic and hateful to women". Trying to wrap my head around this one.

Yeah, I saw that too. This is the type of criticism he really shouldn't be taking seriously.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:42 pm

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So I just came across a thread on Twitter of people accusing Colin of his films being "toxic and hateful to women". Trying to wrap my head around this one.

I wouldn't go so far as to use those words, but Trevorrow and Connolly's scripts for Jurassic World are indeed really tone-deaf in their portrayal of female characters.

In the first Jurassic World, the only female character of consequence we had was Claire, who spent the whole movie being criticized and dressed down by five different male characters (her employee, her boss, her coworker/fling, and her teen and preteen nephews), when she's just trying to do her job. The whole movie she's constantly being mansplained by the male deuteragonist, yet the screenwriters still try to portray her as a strong character, which ends up sending mixed messages. There's also the tone-deaf dialogue between her and her sister about how she's gonna have kids whether she likes it or not. The only other female characters we had was Zara, who endured an overly long death because she's (in Trevorrow's own words) a "bridezilla", and Vivian, whose only real purpose in the movie was for the "I have a boyfriend" gag.

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom fares a little better by having more female characters, but they don't really do much, and their "strong moments" are really sparse and ham-fisted. Claire for example, doesn't really do anything in the second part of Fallen Kingdom, other than punching Mills and that convoluted plan with Owen to kill the Indoraptor (which wouldn't have paid off without Blue-Ex-Machina), and both of those scenes felt like the screenwriters were just throwing her a bone so the viewer would walk out of the movie with the illusion that she had consequence to the plot. For the most part, she's just tagging along Owen as he leads her to safety. Who frees them out of the cage? Who brings the elevator back online and unleashes the Stygimoloch on the auction? Who single-handedly beats a bunch of mercenaries AND stops the Indoraptor from being shipped? Who leads everyone through the Main Hall evading the Indoraptor? Who rescues Maisie in her bedroom? Not Claire. We also have Zia, who is presented as a tough female character through clunky dialogue (like her just getting triggered out of nowhere when Wheatley says that going after Blue could be dangerous), and then... proceeds to spend the rest of the movie as a damsel in distress. To top it all she's rescued by the less-capable comic relief male character (of all people). Maisie is better than both of them, but she counts as more of a tag-along kid character.

Not to mention that awful, awful line of dialogue showcasing Zia's sexuality. "We'll showcase diversity by having one of our characters being LGBTQ... and the only way we can show that is by having her saying how much of a hunk the wish-fulfillment male protagonist is". At least that was cut from the final movie (thank god).

This is all especially egregious because the first Jurassic Park had an awesome female role-model in the form of Ellie Sattler. She got things done and didn't let anyone tell her what she couldn't do, while also not behaving like a spoiled millennial. There's a really good article written at the time of the first Jurassic World by a woman who was inspired as a kid by Ellie Sattler to become a scientist comparing the portrayal of women in JP and JW: it's worth a read.

I don't think they were being intentionally sexist, but both Jurassic World movies have degrees of serious sexism nonetheless. I think it's down to Trevorrow and Connolly (or at least one of them) being mediocre screenwriters. They say these movies have messages, but end up contradicting themselves. Claire becomes a capable female character who cares about others... after being mansplained the whole movie by the male deuteragonist. Zia can take care of herself... yet she's promptly kidnapped and in need of rescue. Jurassic World is making a stand against corporations and consumerism... by constantly showing really cringy product-placement. The protagonists should save the dinosaurs from the volcano because it's the right thing to do... but first let's show Ian Malcolm ( one of the voices of reason of the original movie) telling the audience why that's stupid. The list goes on. At least with Carmichael co-writing the next movie means that there's gonna be a woman overseeing the way Trevorrow writes the female characters. If Ellie Sattler is really returning for the next movie, her lines should really be proof-read by a woman.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:14 pm

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So I just came across a thread on Twitter of people accusing Colin of his films being "toxic and hateful to women". Trying to wrap my head around this one.

The fact that Trevorrow is actually communicating with these people and taking these criticisms scares me. It implies that every portrayal of a woman must now be a representative of the entire sex. That a female character isn't allowed to have flaws or be feminine without that character's individual traits being applied to the entire gender. That sort of narrow minded thinking allowed to run rampant I fear will end up pigeonholing women into particular roles, much in the same way as they were pigeonholed as "damsels in distress" in older films. That there will end up being a certain criteria which all female characters will have to meet in order to be approved by this particular sect of people.

For instance, if a female character shows weakness in some way, it's no longer simply a trait of that particular character, but indicative of the writer's view of women as a whole, and any development that character may go through is simply a hamfisted way of the writer covering their bases. And god forbid if a male character is instrumental to any of the development the female character may go through along the way. That just opens up a whole new can of worms.

And of course the opposite is also true. There is a sect of people out there that will cry "Feminist drivel!" any time a female lead is portrayed as strong, especially if said female character is stronger than her male costars. I saw a little bit of that around the time Wonder Woman was released, and it's a septic mentality as well.

At the end of the day, these are characters with individual traits and characteristics, and shouldn't be considered reflective of the writer's view of that particular gender, at least not without significant trends being detected, of which there really haven't been.

I just hope that Trevorrow doesn't try to cater to the outrage mob too much. That'd be a surefire way of compromising his vision for the franchise going forward.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:02 pm

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@Dead2009 wrote:
So I just came across a thread on Twitter of people accusing Colin of his films being "toxic and hateful to women". Trying to wrap my head around this one.

I wouldn't go so far as to use those words, but Trevorrow and Connolly's scripts for Jurassic World are indeed really tone-deaf in their portrayal of female characters.

Those were literally the words used by some of the people in the replies to him, though.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Yesterday at 11:58 am

Whether the movie feels like it portrays women gender in a good or in a bad light is debatable.

But there's people out there on Twitter who tag Colin Trevorrow claiming he hates women and that he thinks they're only weak and stupid. They attack the person. That's totally unfair and vile.

I agree with Tyrant Lizard that this situation (in general) is becoming scary. There's no more flawed or complex characters allowed... Just characters who must represent an entire gender and that if they don't do it well, they make the movie sexist, misogynist, or whatever.

I would make a long post about Claire in JW, but I'm tired of repeating the same s--- after 3 years.




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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Yesterday at 8:19 pm

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The fact that Trevorrow is actually communicating with these people and taking these criticisms scares me. It implies that every portrayal of a woman must now be a representative of the entire sex. That a female character isn't allowed to have flaws or be feminine without that character's individual traits being applied to the entire gender. That sort of narrow minded thinking allowed to run rampant I fear will end up pigeonholing women into particular roles, much in the same way as they were pigeonholed as "damsels in distress" in older films. That there will end up being a certain criteria which all female characters will have to meet in order to be approved by this particular sect of people.

For instance, if a female character shows weakness in some way, it's no longer simply a trait of that particular character, but indicative of the writer's view of women as a whole, and any development that character may go through is simply a hamfisted way of the writer covering their bases. And god forbid if a male character is instrumental to any of the development the female character may go through along the way. That just opens up a whole new can of worms.

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I agree with Tyrant Lizard that this situation (in general) is becoming scary. There's no more flawed or complex characters allowed... Just characters who must represent an entire gender and that if they don't do it well, they make the movie sexist, misogynist, or whatever.

The whole point of the complaints against Claire in the first JW was not that she was flawed, but that she was the only real female presence of the movie, and she was the only one of the main characters who had visible flaws. On top of that, she gets constantly chewed out by almost every other male character in the movie, including the deuteragonist. It's hard to not understand why the female audience would get offended by that.

In Fallen Kingdom, the main problem is that she's just 'kind of there' for the entire movie (she essentially stops being relevant at the 20 minute mark), and is shoved back into a relationship with the macho-man character, even though the movie just stressed early on why they don't work together.

Aubrey Plaza in Safety Not Guaranteed is ok, and the least said about Naomi Watts and Sarah Silverman's characters in Book of Henry, the better.

Writing a non-offensive female character is not that hard. Jurassic Park did it (much better than the novel did, in fact), and David Koepp wasn't a particularly great screenwriter.

I don't condone twitter cyber-bullying against anyone, but at least having people call Trevorrow out on the way he writes women might serve as a cautionary tale for him to improve.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Today at 2:54 am

The trick is to ignore these people. They throw around powerful words like sexism, racism, homophobic and such but not for the right reasons. They do it to feel better about themselves and try and be heroes. Sexism is a horrible thing that needs to be stopped right now, but the battle needs to be fought where it actually exists.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.5   Today at 7:27 am

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The whole point of the complaints against Claire in the first JW was not that she was flawed, but that she was the only real female presence of the movie, and she was the only one of the main characters who had visible flaws. On top of that, she gets constantly chewed out by almost every other male character in the movie, including the deuteragonist. It's hard to not understand why the female audience would get offended by that.

In Fallen Kingdom, the main problem is that she's just 'kind of there' for the entire movie (she essentially stops being relevant at the 20 minute mark), and is shoved back into a relationship with the macho-man character, even though the movie just stressed early on why they don't work together.

Aubrey Plaza in Safety Not Guaranteed is ok, and the least said about Naomi Watts and Sarah Silverman's characters in Book of Henry, the better.

Writing a non-offensive female character is not that hard. Jurassic Park did it (much better than the novel did, in fact), and David Koepp wasn't a particularly great screenwriter.

I don't condone twitter cyber-bullying against anyone, but at least having people call Trevorrow out on the way he writes women might serve as a cautionary tale for him to improve.

Masrani didn't have visible flaws? Lowery didn't have visible flaws (he gets chewed a lot too, and even by Claire herself at the end)? Owen, despite being portrayed as perfect, made his stupid choices as well. But since Claire is a female, then we focus on her and call out sexism, etc.
She's one of the few Hollywood blockbusters hero who doesn't turn into a masculine sexy soldier (basically turning into a man taken as an evolution of a female character, otherwise she's not cool) and instead she still remains herself (the high heels being kept as a sign of her not abandoning her femininity in order to become a stronger character), she uses her own knowledge as her favor (releasing the T-Rex using her knowledge of the park), and she saves everyone's asses at the end.

Also, the movie doesn't say "She's doing her job and she shouldn't, she must have kids". The movie says "She's too focused on trying to control everything, she's so dependent on automatism and technology, that she forgot the beauty of the dinosaurs and she forgot about what counts the most, the dear ones (curious, it sounds like Ellie's speech to Hammond)".

Again, do any character who criticize her in the movie making a point that she's wrong because of her gender?
"You realize they're actual animals?"
"Don't forget why we built this place, Claire! [...] The secret to a happy life is to accept you're never actually in control"
"It's all about control for you"

All of the points could have been made to a male character as well. No sexism or similar.

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