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PostSubject: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:19 pm

Now that the movie is available on Digital HD, I decided to look at both JW movies to compare the layout of the lagoon to see if the so-called retcon is truly a retcon (spoiler: yes, it is).

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It's actually kind of impressive how blatant this retcon is. There are numerous moments in the first Jurassic World where we are shown sweeping shots of the lagoon, and it's clearly in the interior of the island, and with no connection to any other bodies of water. At one side, there are hotels and an artificial beach, and at the other, there's Main Street. In Fallen Kingdom, the lagoon is much, much larger, and the hotels are all gone, replaced by that monolithic fence with the automatic gate leading to the ocean.

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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:37 pm

This might be pushing it, but I do think there could be some logical explanation as to how the gate was included and can fit within the Lagoon. On the Jurassic World brochure, specifically the map of the Jurassic World Resort, there is a large grey facility simply labelled “Security” built along the southeastern section of the Lagoon. 



Perhaps it was intended to have been added to the lagoon from the beginning, but it does seem strange that there wasn’t a large establishing shot of the park in Fallen Kingdom mirroring Masrani’s arrival. There was concept art for this shot but seems to have been discarded, which is a shame because offers a decent shot of the resort in ruins and shows that the lagoon gate is in the same location as the security facility.

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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:30 pm

Colin said somewheres that the lagoon is connected to the ocean with a series of canals. Also said that he didnt realise that they changed the location of the lagoon untill the movie was finished. Doesnt explain the gate though.
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:06 pm

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Colin said somewheres that the lagoon is connected to the ocean with a series of canals. Also said that he didnt realise that they changed the location of the lagoon untill the movie was finished. Doesnt explain the gate though.
The interesting thing is, he's actually 100% correct. Remember the satellite maps we have of Nublar from the first film. There's a series of rivers that stretch throughout the island. One of the main branches lead right into the heart of Isla Nublar, and terminates right where the lagoon is in the center of the island.



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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:09 am

Nice find. Here's what Colin said;

"The lagoon is in the center of the island, connected to the ocean by a canal system. The digital maps in the film are incorrect, not a retcon. My fault for missing it, I had no idea the change was made until it was too late. Hope you guys can forgive it."

and the link https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow/status/1008658304841723906?lang=en
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:49 pm

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Nice find. Here's what Colin said;

"The lagoon is in the center of the island, connected to the ocean by a canal system. The digital maps in the film are incorrect, not a retcon. My fault for missing it, I had no idea the change was made until it was too late. Hope you guys can forgive it."

and the link https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow/status/1008658304841723906?lang=en

Look at the second screenshot in the post, or just watch the part of the movie when Masrani arrives in the helipad. You can clearly see that the lagoon isn't connected to any other bodies of water, it's just an (presumably) artificial lagoon on the center of the island.

That's just Trevorrow trying to hand-wave his lazy writing. He and Connolly basically wanted the Mosasaurus to break free and noticed they wrote themselves into a hole, so they just decided to retcon the entire layout of the lagoon and insert an automatic gate (God only knows what's the purpose of that in-universe) and hoped no one would notice/care.

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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:36 pm

@Mr. Robustus wrote:
@Trexbreakout wrote:
Nice find. Here's what Colin said;

"The lagoon is in the center of the island, connected to the ocean by a canal system. The digital maps in the film are incorrect, not a retcon. My fault for missing it, I had no idea the change was made until it was too late. Hope you guys can forgive it."

and the link https://twitter.com/colintrevorrow/status/1008658304841723906?lang=en

Look at the second screenshot in the post, or just watch the part of the movie when Masrani arrives in the helipad. You can clearly see that the lagoon isn't connected to any other bodies of water, it's just an (presumably) artificial lagoon on the center of the island.

That's just Trevorrow trying to hand-wave his lazy writing. He and Connolly basically wanted the Mosasaurus to break free and noticed they wrote themselves into a hole, so they just decided to retcon the entire layout of the lagoon and insert an automatic gate (God only knows what's the purpose of that in-universe) and hoped no one would notice/care.

Well, 95% of general audience didn't notice. Fans notice everything instead Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:46 pm

Here’s a more detailed look of the Isla Nublar map from Fallen Kingdom, with locations of the airfield and shipping harbour.
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:00 pm

I wish there was an accurate map that has all events and locations from all the nublar movies
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:42 am

Funny enough early JW concept art had the lagoon connected to the ocean, but so much for long term planning huh?
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:08 pm

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Funny enough early JW concept art had the lagoon connected to the ocean, but so much for long term planning huh?

Other then foreshadowing Indoraptor, did they make any long term plans for this new trilogy?

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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:04 pm

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@Sobek wrote:
Funny enough early JW concept art had the lagoon connected to the ocean, but so much for long term planning huh?

Other then foreshadowing Indoraptor, did they make any long term plans for this new trilogy?

They pretty much new they had to destroy Nublar and get the dinos to the mainland. Everything else they're making up as they go.
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:22 pm

I don't think it's that bad. It can still be worked in-universe. We never got a good look at the northeastern bit of the lagoon, even in that helicopter shot. The canal system can still be implemented.
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:05 pm

@Sobek wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@Sobek wrote:
Funny enough early JW concept art had the lagoon connected to the ocean, but so much for long term planning huh?

Other then foreshadowing Indoraptor, did they make any long term plans for this new trilogy?

They pretty much new they had to destroy Nublar and get the dinos to the mainland. Everything else they're making up as they go.

If Spielberg is so overprotective of this franchise, then how in the world can he let Colin get away with this?

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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:06 pm

I've never been one of the fans to try to take the geography of Isla Nublar very seriously -- from what I recall, early maps didn't seem fully in line with some of what was seen onscreen, and obviously those maps did not leave out a massive chunk for the future films to build on, either. We saw Sorna look obviously different between two films and we all know the 'region' thing is a retcon and an excuse. Jurassic World was also not entirely thorough about making sure the geographic stream of events made complete sense. I honestly didn't even realize on my first showing that the Mosasaurus tank was necessarily the lagoon from the first film anyway.

Consequently, I haven't felt too worried about the supposed retcon related to the lagoon. I honestly made the same connection in my own head as soon as I saw the scene in the theater as Trevorrow is touting now. I don't see why it seems like such a lazy stretch to people.

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If Spielberg is so overprotective of this franchise, then how in the world can he let Colin get away with this?
It seems clear to me that Spielberg and presumably Marshall have had ideas they wanted to bring into the franchise - hybrids, escaped dinosaurs, trained raptors, further exploration of genetics, a new park - and they're letting Trevorrow and crew fill in the gaps in that genetic code. A lot of those elements date back to the Sayles script, and those that don't have been substantiated from before Trevorrow as well.

I believe the problem with Fallen Kingdom was that Trevorrow knew what story he wanted to tell in the third film, but that they hadn't plotted out how to get from the first point to the third point - and indeed, Bayona mentioned that Trevorrow wanted Fallen Kingdom's story to go "further" and they had to dial it back to what's depicted in the final film. Keeping in mind the film has a firm division between the Nublar rescue mission and the Lockwood Manor elements, I think these story components were mostly there to facilitate movement between the beginning and end of the trilogy, and that, yes, facilitated drawing some things out and making up as we went along.

In short, I firmly believe Fallen Kingdom suffered in the hope for a better Jurassic World 3. Only time will tell if it was worthwhile.
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Yesterday at 7:27 pm

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@Rhedosaurus wrote:
If Spielberg is so overprotective of this franchise, then how in the world can he let Colin get away with this?
It seems clear to me that Spielberg and presumably Marshall have had ideas they wanted to bring into the franchise -  hybrids, escaped dinosaurs, trained raptors, further exploration of genetics, a new park - and they're letting Trevorrow and crew fill in the gaps in that genetic code. A lot of those elements date back to the Sayles script, and those that don't have been substantiated from before Trevorrow as well.

I believe the problem with Fallen Kingdom was that Trevorrow knew what story he wanted to tell in the third film, but that they hadn't plotted out how to get from the first point to the third point - and indeed, Bayona mentioned that Trevorrow wanted Fallen Kingdom's story to go "further" and they had to dial it back to what's depicted in the final film. Keeping in mind the film has a firm division between the Nublar rescue mission and the Lockwood Manor elements, I think these story components were mostly there to facilitate movement between the beginning and end of the trilogy, and that, yes, facilitated drawing some things out and making up as we went along.

In short, I firmly believe Fallen Kingdom suffered in the hope for a better Jurassic World 3. Only time will tell if it was worthwhile.

Here's the problem, most bridge movies don't do well. If anything else, they wind up harming the upcoming product they are heavily foreshadowing. Just look at how the fallout from BvS winded up causing Justice League to bomb hard.

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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Yesterday at 8:03 pm

Spielberg doesn't care as much about the franchise as people think. Even during JP his mind was set elsewhere.

They have ideas they want and Colin is somewhat forced to make them work. Problem is they keep changing their minds all the time and they don't know how to map it out very well.

but Universal is also to blame. They don't even want us to know about past drafts and unused ideas (wonder why the alternate Indoraptor concepts and the destruction of Nublar were taken down?)
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PostSubject: Re: Mosasaurus Lagoon retcon   Yesterday at 8:11 pm

@Sobek wrote:
Spielberg doesn't care as much about the franchise as people think. Even during JP his mind was set elsewhere.

They have ideas they want and Colin is somewhat forced to make them work. Problem is they keep changing their minds all the time and they don't know how to map it out very well.

but Universal is also to blame. They don't even want us to know about past drafts and unused ideas (wonder why the alternate Indoraptor concepts and the destruction of Nublar were taken down?)

If he really doesn't care, then why doesn't he just step down for good? That or have Universal fire him outright?

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