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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:38 pm



I'm still not quite sure what to think about using JPL's name, though... it might attract people familiar with the name, but it's not really JPL. And for some people, a site that isn't JPL might be more attractive anyway, especially if they had gotten stuck in the middle of drama at some point. What's so bad about just making something new and different (with the possibility of eventually bringing back some things like the encyclopedia)? The idea of building something new during the downtime until JW2 sounds like an interesting way to keep busy... with the proper motivation.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:58 pm

That brings up a good point. Not only is it disrespectful to the old site, but you might not be able to gain the membership as you think might get. JPL was pretty infamous, people complained about it everywhere online. So if they see the name, they're going to associate it with their hate.

Choosing a new name is really the best option, I see no reason to use JPL.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:20 am

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The new JPL will have really interesting features, though.
Can you address the criticisms stated about using JPL's name please?

Yeah. I think naming it something like Jurassic Legacy would be cheap, like we're a knockoff. As is, we have Ty's blessing, so if he's okay with us taking on the name, I am. It's not something I take lightly.

PS: We originally considered another name. If this is really an issue, perhaps we ought to run a poll then take it up with Josh.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:22 am

You can call it JPL, make it look identical to the old site, anything and everything, and it won't be JPL in anything but name, if even that.

JPL was. It isn't anymore. It won't be again. No matter how much you wish it so.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:24 am

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You can call it JPL, make it look identical to the old site, anything and everything, and it won't be JPL in anything but name, if even that.

JPL was. It isn't anymore. It won't be again. No matter how much you wish it so.

It's going to be very different from the original layout. Very.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:32 am

I dont see how its disrespectful if the idea is to honor the good deeds of JPL and reunite the community. I sort of get where everyone is coming from if its the exact same name and maybe a slight variation would be good.

Also, JPL was about the community. It wasnt about a nice lay out and it wasn't about the name. However, the one thing the name does do is serve as a beacon to the 11,000 registered members at the time of closing that we're reuniting. Yes, I know JPP is intended to do that but right now we have 275 members of the 11,000. Thats 1/40th. If a name and pretty page bring them back than good.

This reminds me of American Politics right now. Liberals and Conservatives, though its hard to flesh out who's who. So who is Trump and who is Hillary? Anyone want the role of uncle Bernie?

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:59 am

It is disrespectful if you didn't get Ty's permission, then that's better. I still comes off like you're trying to make your website popular by using an older site's name, but being given permission is like being given ownership, so that isn't really an issue. I guess I'm fine with it. However, I still think the infamy of the name is worth considering.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:23 am

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It is disrespectful if you didn't get Ty's permission
We did.

Just give us a chance, we are doing it with heart and soul and the absolute best intentions.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:58 am

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It is disrespectful if you didn't get Ty's permission
We did.

Just give us a chance, we are doing it with heart and soul and the absolute best intentions.
You obviously didn't bother to read the rest of my post.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:01 am

@Mysterious Hero M wrote:
So if it's not going to be JPL in any way besides the name then what's the point. Why not instead of going "MUH SITE" try to help out here and make this place better.

They're using the JPL name for marketing purposes, that was pretty much confirmed to me by someone anyway. They want to ride the wave of JPL's popularity instead of working with anyone else here. The fact they have Ty's blessing doesn't mean anything, Ty doesn't give a crap lol like really doesn't give a crap. He walked away and he really doesn't give a crap.

The fact that they are using the name only with regard to a brand new site is even cheaper and ridiculous than a total carbon copy. Really guys, if you actually respect the JPL name and what JPL brought to the JP community you would actually respect it's end.


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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:22 am

Okay, when I said marketing, what I meant was that we want to be honest about this being JPL 2. NOT draw in crowds. Understand?

Just to clarify: JPL 2 is what Mewtwo is to Mew. It is our Thorn Valley, also.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:11 am

That comparison implies you're trying to copy the website and improve on it in every way.

I don't have to explain why that's an unbelievably lofty order right there.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:15 am

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That comparison implies you're trying to copy the website and improve on it in every way.

I don't have to explain why that's an unbelievably lofty order right there.

Well, the redesign is pretty magical, let me tell you.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:19 am


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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:27 am

It's gorgeous. I'm working on concept art right now.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:39 am

If Ty gave "his blessing" on this new site, then why in the hell didn't he just hand over the reigns to the rest of the staff on the old site? Something isn't adding up here, he was persistent in telling people to give up on the fandom, to move on from JPL and anything associated with it and all of a sudden he's okay with the site carrying on under new management?

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:46 am

I don't know his reasoning. You could ask him, I guess.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:49 am

He deleted all of his social media. If he actually gave his blessing then he stabbed everyone that supported him directly in the back.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:53 am

I still talk to him (and other former JPL admins in the old chat). I just asked, now waiting for a reply. We will see, bc I am not sure.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:55 am

If I had to guess, I'd say he's less stressed now. But I'm not really sure. I'm also not the leader of this new JPL, so anything coming from me is simply opinion or secondhand info.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:10 pm

I still think that it's too soon to basically revive a site, or at least start doing so a month after it shut down, but that's just me.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:17 pm

When reanimating a corpse, it's best not to wait too long, lest the specimen turn unsuitable.

This is why I'm not in charge of PR.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:22 pm

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When reanimating a corpse, it's best not to wait too long, lest the specimen turn unsuitable.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:33 pm

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He deleted all of his social media. If he actually gave his blessing then he stabbed everyone that supported him directly in the back.

I agree. Not only was it a bad move, but he also proved that all of his critics and haters were right all along.

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When reanimating a corpse, it's best not to wait too long, lest the specimen turn unsuitable.

This is why I'm not in charge of PR.

But you're not reanimating a corpse. You're rebuilding what many people considered something special and what others considered notorious. Places like those that are gone/shut down take a time for people to get over. To do so now was just too soon. Again, I'm not against JPL being revived per se, just against the timing of it.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:34 pm

Exact words:

"Neutral or so. Somewhat positive. I wish them well to a point. But I am altogether neutral about it. I do feel like they are clinging to a sunken ship."

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:39 pm

''Well to a point.''

I'd like to follow that quote with another quote from Ty in a discussion with me: '' I still love to see it fade away for good to be entirely honest...''

Not exactly a blessing, he just doesn't give a crap anymore.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:44 pm

Did he say why he didn't just give them entire old site to them in first place? As I said before, this whole thing is just going to prove the detractors against him were right all along.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:01 pm

@Rhedosaurus wrote:
Did he say why he didn't just give them entire old site to them in first place? As I said before, this whole thing is just going to prove the detractors against him were right all along.

Since I don't want this to flair up into another "Ty pity party" as Spiegel put it, selfish or not, I think Ty shut down everything because if new management were running the old ship, he feels he could be drawn back. (Or I guess same management, but with his involvement.) It's pretty to think that everything you at least helped build is still out there, and as much as you want to distance yourself, you will check on it. Regardless if it's a copy, or something just using the name, Ty will have no connection to this new JPL beyond the name itself, and couldn't care less what happens to it.

I was never happy about how and why the shutdown happened, but it wasn't my choice so I moved on with it. Through many other people, that is why this site exists, and why were are currently working out things to make this site better. We've had some down time, and it has hurt us, but we see the need for a well crafted community, and want to get things moving to keep the community together. Maybe I'm also clinging to a community because I don't want to see it all fall apart, especially since I've made friends here, but I don't feel splitting the community again with this new JPL is the way to go. Especially for the name JPL. No matter how much work gets done, no matter how beautiful it all looks, it will never be the same site. I'm sure there's potential since the domain alone will probably pull traffic, but that just brings to mind Ian's speech about standing on the shoulders of others.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:05 pm

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'cos re-animating corpses always goes well, right.

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