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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:11 pm

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If JW2 ever goes to more hybrids, that opens the doors to homocraptors. Which is primarily the reason I don't want hybrids.

It already oppened with I.rex and this movie, clearly.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:07 am

I would like to see more hybrids, but only if they are conservative looking. Here are my ideas.

A Velociraptor with the added intelligence of a Troodon.

An Ankylosaurus/Sauropelta or Edmontonia mix. This is simply to bring back the design of the retro Anklyosaurus back using modern technology.

I'd also retcon the JP3 Spinosaurus as a Spinosaurus/T. rex mix. After all, the Marsani backdoor site basically semi-confirms it as a hybrid so they might as go all the way.

I'd also see some hybrids that are based on the CE toyline make an appearance.

Deinonycanis: Deinonychus and Dire Wolf

Compstegnathus: Compy, Stegosaurus, and African Tree Frog

Raptor Alpha: Basically a mix of The Big One and Philippine Eagle DNA.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:00 pm

Honestly, I'd rather see rea-- Agh, I can't even say 'real', because as we all know, according to Wu's claims none of the Jurassic Park dinosaurs are genuine recreations of before. Doesn't that render this argument invalid? Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:40 pm

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The implications of Jurassic World is that there will be more of them. I'd prefer them not get as ridiculous as the stegosaurus/Triceratops hybrid we saw on the computer screen in Jurassic Word's laboratory, but the pathway has already been built and it would be strange not to move forward in that direction. However, I hope the hybrid plot ends with JW3, and then we have the next trilogy be about something different.

I honestly agree. Just having the first film in the trilogy have a hybrid and then stopping that would be weird. I don't mind seeing hybrids, as long as they aren't crazy. Indominous looked like a dinosaur that could've actually existed, as long as we don't get stegos with rex heads or crap like that I'm fine with hybrids.

Hybrids are happening, the sooner we accept it the better. Like it or not, I-Rex happened, they can't just ignore that fact now, it's part of the story now.

What they should do though is show the hybrid less, in JW Indominous is pretty much the only animal shown as a threat besides the raptors and pterosaurs, every real dinosaur was basically just food for this thing, with some exceptions. My point is most of the variety we saw like stegos, apatos, ankylos, were all just thrown in there for the indominous to eat.

I want real dinosaurs to be more of a threat, or better yet just make the hybrid a side threat, not the main one. There are plenty of real dinosaurs to be used as threats. In fact, why not use Carnotaurus and Troodon as side threats some time? They've already appeared in other JP media, why not start using these more. Make more hybrids, go ahead, but they have so many unused real dinosaurs to use, the franchise should at least use some of them.

More hybrids are fine, and they are happening, they just need less screentime. Plus with the next movie having more 'horror elements' a hybrid could really help that. And no human hybrids, ever.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:45 pm

@TheRexMan22 wrote:
Honestly, I'd rather see rea-- Agh, I can't even say 'real', because as we all know, according to Wu's claims none of the Jurassic Park dinosaurs are genuine recreations of before. Doesn't that render this argument invalid? Razz

That really depends on how much Wu is involved with the sequels going forward. In addition I believe as well it depends on if additional dinosaurs are cloned.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:06 pm

Hmmm I agree with a lot of the points made here. Technically, every dinosaur in Jurassic Park is a "hybrid" - as Wu confirmed in JW. Granted, they are hybrids with smaller, modern-day animals. Now, we got dinosaur mixes.

I am not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I think dinosaurs are "wow enough" and going into this other direction takes the franchise in a radically different place. A place I am unsure I want to see the franchise go. Especially if it goes in the direction of Godzilla/Cloverfield-esque hybrid monsters ripping apart cities.

I know the movies do not focus as heavily on the implications of genetic engineering and human arrogance as Crichton's books but I kind of wish it did. The dinosaurs were always the back drop to that theme. One of my favorite scenes in JW was Wu talking to Masrani. Or the lunch scene in the original JP. I wish there was a little bit more of that.

Plus, with so many "real" dinosaurs, it just seems like such a squandered opportunity to immediately jump into the hybrid monster route.

On the other hand ... the "real" dinosaurs are also limited by the repeated use of Velociraptors and Tyrannosaurs Rex. Don't get me wrong - those two are classics. But as long as they're repeated, we'll never get time for the others. Say what you will about JP3 and the Spino, but it least was something new as a big bad.

I think that since I've come to grips with the fact that the "real" dinosaurs aren't even really real (the raptors had feathers and we're not so big or the Dilo didn't spit poison or had that fan around its neck for example), then the idea of hybrids becomes more palatable to me.

I just worry that this will go from Jurassic Park to a full on Resident Evil monsters movie and the "feel" of what this was supposed to be will go.

I guess this really depends on where the story can go. There are only so many times you can lure tourists to a park that has failed twice and gotten people killed. The hybrid route might be the only direction left?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:18 pm

In the past, I've always said that open to seeing more hybrids if done tastefully and in a way that services the themes and the plot. At most, I could tolerate the idea of some nefarious corporation (be it Biosyn or InGen) obtaining the Indominus rex's DNA and cloning it to be smaller and more manageable as Hoskin's alluded to. That might strike people as a sort of loose remake of the Baby Zillas from Godzilla 1998, but I still see the potential in that as a means of contrast to the velociraptors.

But recently, I've stopped seeing the pursuit of more hybrids as something I necessarily want. It's not needed to revitalize the franchise, and its not the reason why we fans and audience members come out to see these films. Yes, Jurassic World made the most money of the franchise thus far, but it wasn't because of the I.rex, at least not by itself. More hybrids means more liability for silly mistakes and bad writing; Universal might push for that but Bayona and Trevorrow don't strike me as the sorts to continue pursuing it.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:42 pm

I'm still fine having hybrids in future films but there better be "real" dinosaurs in them too. If both get equal screen time then sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:24 am

The JP dinosaurs allow me to romanticize and picture real dinosaurs looking that way. Hybrids ruin all of that, so hell no.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:20 am

No more hybrids. I liked the Indominus, but that's it.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:49 pm

No, I want to see dinosaurs that actually existed. There's plenty of weird and wonderful real-life saurians that could be included in this movie, so really there's no need for a fake hybrid dinosaur that never existed.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 7:08 pm

I'd rather not. But if they did, I don't want them to go crazy like they did with the JP4 concept art. Keep it simple and realistic.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 7:37 pm

As long as they aren't over the top crazy(like a two headed raptor chasing people). I'm kinda okay with it.  Although if a hybrid causes other dinosaurs to lose screen time, or if it prevents us from seeing a couple new dinosaurs I'm firmly against it.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 8:14 pm

Hybrids aren't going anywhere. But I suspect we will also see new dinos.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 8:30 pm

How cute.  Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 9:25 pm

@Troyal1 wrote:
As long as they aren't over the top crazy(like a two headed raptor chasing people). I'm kinda okay with it.  Although if a hybrid causes other dinosaurs to lose screen time, or if it prevents us from seeing a couple new dinosaurs I'm firmly against it.

Basically how I feel. I'll tolerate it, as long as it's done well and doesn't take over the film.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 9:44 pm



The only hybrid that really matters  Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 9:45 pm

Well, I guess we'll see more hybrids.  Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 10:19 pm

cough cough

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Mon May 29, 2017 11:19 pm

My preference is no hybrids this time. I want the movie to be like JP and TLW in the sense that those movies were about learning about the actual dinosaurs.

Yes there are some things that are not up to date and all that, but still, the franchise is about the dinosaurs, I do not want it to turn into Jurassic Mutants although I get what they were trying to do with the I Rex.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Tue May 30, 2017 12:45 am

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My preference is no hybrids this time. I want the movie to be like JP and TLW in the sense that those movies were about learning about the actual dinosaurs.

Yes there are some things that are not up to date and all that, but still, the franchise is about the dinosaurs, I do not want it to turn into Jurassic Mutants although I get what they were trying to do with the I Rex.

yeah but I guess we will see. I mean if there is a hybrid it has to be one of the stronger secrets this time

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Tue May 30, 2017 1:00 am

When I first heard of hybrids in JW I was in fear and dreaded the movie for a long time but the movie made it work and make sense. It is true that all creatures in JP were hybrids since the beginning in a way, this also explains why they don't have feathers as well! Fantastic.

I also don't want human hybrids or two headed raptors but most of the hybrids from the HYBRIDS line that we saw in toys/books/ludia game are not that bad, they are still basically the same things but awesome. Hell I would go on to say that it's an evolved form of the chaos effect idea but more defined. So yeah I would indeed like to see more hybrids and I thought it was a missed opportunity for JW to introduce the idea and only use it on the Indominus and even the Indominus didn't use all its hybrid capabilities to its best, it was mostly treated like a bigger T-Rex. The camouflage and other things should've been used more.

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PostSubject: Re: Do you want to see more hybrids?    Tue May 30, 2017 2:40 am

I don't want a hybrid in jw 2. If there is one, i can live with it but colin made it seem clear that Irex would be the only one and hes the one that wrote the screenplay for jw2, so i hope he does not change his mind
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